Alright, Who'll Admit to Using these Chinese attacments/implements ??

[hill]

Such as these from one of the ebay stores and also carried by Northern Tools and who knows who else:eBay Store - Betst Companies: Flail Mower, Rotary Tiller, Hydraulic Log Splitter

It's just that I'm a new tractor owner in the market for certain tools, and the prices shown beat the heck out of prices from either the tractor manufacturers or the well known aftermarket makers.

Considering the coinage dropped for Kubota tractor, loader, hoe these prices are certainly tempting but I thought I'd best seek the wisdom of people with a broader experience than my own.

I have read the threads concerning the Jinma chipper but haven't found much on the rest of these gizmos like flail mowers, brush cutters, or blades.

 

[john_bud]

There is a great variance in stuff from china. Can be as good as anything available anywhere, or total show scrapings. This variability can be in the same brand and model if more than one factory / company is making the equipment.

What's that latin saying? Cavot Emptor? (buyer beware) And I would raise that to the power of 10 going thru Ebay buying it blind!!!



on edit - I checked out the link - those prices are low. I don't like the log splitters as they are mounted 90 degrees off for what I like. Should go straight out the back. The mowers seem to be all pretty narrow.


buy one of each and let us know how you like them! Or maybe a local person to the seller can inspect and report?


jb

 

[bones1]

Be careful of the shipping charges.Looks like $300 shipping for the brush hog to your home.That brings it close to a name brand unit picked up locally.

 

[hill]

Be careful of the shipping charges.Looks like $300 shipping for the brush hog to your home.That brings it close to a name brand unit picked up locally.

That guy is about 2 1/2 hours south of me and that's the problem. Usually I just ignore such stuff knowing that shipping would level the field but taking a run down there to load up my trailer would save me a pile of cash if the tools worked.

 

[JerryK]

If you are "in state",or go to another state to pick up the unit, I think you have to pay sales tax on it. In Michigan, if I buy something shipped in from say Indiana, I am "supposed to" report the purchase on my next years income tax and pay a "use" [another name for the sales] tax on it. If, instead, I go to Indiana to pick it up, then I have to pay the Indiana sales tax at the time of purchase, then pay any difference on the "use" tax to Michigan. So, sometimes you have to consider the sales tax versus the shipping rate, if you plan on "failing" to report the use tax to your own state [confusing, ain't it?]
I just bought an 8" chipper on EBAY, and used it for the first time yesterday. It works great, and I was supprised how quiet it is compared to bigger commercial type units. It was even quieter than an old Kemp 5hp 4" chipper/shreader I used to use, probably due to not as much thin metal to vibrate during chipping. I'm happy with my Chinese copy of a copy of a real American designed chipper...

 

[PBinWA]

There is no sales tax in Oregon. If you are in Oregon it might be a good deal.

I think it's safe to say that the quality of these implements might be on the "lower" side and parts and support for them down the road might be limited.

But if you are buying in Oregon and not paying shipping it makes it tempting.

I'm tempted to drive down and get one of those dump boxes.

 

[rural2]

There are umpteen hundred places on the West Coast selling implements/attachments similar to these. I only live a couple hours from the seller and see nothing that would warrant a road trip. Seems like the West Coast imports Chinese and the East coast imports Italian.
That is the first of that type cargo box I have seen, kind of interesting actually!
Hmmmm...

I think it's safe to say that the quality of these implements might be on the "lower" side and parts and support for them down the road might be limited.

 

[hill]

There are umpteen hundred places on the West Coast selling implements/attachments similar to these. I only live a couple hours from the seller and see nothing that would warrant a road trip. Seems like the West Coast imports Chinese and the East coast imports Italian.
That is the first of that type cargo box I have seen, kind of interesting actually!
Hmmmm...

All I've been aware of are the dealer up in Pullyalup and another in Murrieta, CA both farther than this from me, but I'll admit to not looking for them beyond ebay.

So whereabouts are the umpteen?

 

[PBinWA]

I think a lot of the smaller dealers carry these implements from time to time.

I suspect Tytan Tractor in Klamath Falls probably has these ones.

rural2 is right that there are a ton of chinese tractors and implements on the west coast - it is the main port of entry.

 

[California]

All I've been aware of are the dealer up in Pullyalup and another in Murrieta, CA both farther than this from me, but I'll admit to not looking for them beyond ebay.

So whereabouts are the umpteen?

Another one claims 'Northern California' on ebay and somewhere above Marysville (Robbins?) on his cragslist ads, as the basis for shipping cost. But he doesn't reveal his real location on either. I wouldn't expect much after-sale service if he won't tell you where he is.

I think none of the importer/merchants will reveal their location or allow pickup since they are essentially brokers exchanging paperwork with some broker in China. And perhaps neither knows anything about tractors. Some of these ebay guys also sell hot tubs etc.

Yosemite Tractor in Coarsegold (west of Yosemite) is real, I've met the guy. I think he can get anything Chinese for you and will support it, but he's a pretty small operation. That's a remote location if you need to take it in for repairs, and I wouldn't expect him to offer immediate field repairs if you break it.

I think you can waste a lot of time chasing rainbows trying to buy this stuff, and then later trying to find warranty service and ordinary repairs.

Yesterday I clicked 'email for details' on a web page and the email bounced - the 'email for details' text contained a typo which made it undeliverable.
"Unknown host: sales@action-quip.com" I wonder if his tractors have similar faults. I corrected the seller's typo and sent it off again.

It bounced again.

***Begin quote***
Unknown user: sales@action-equip.com

RCPT TO generated following response:
550 5.7.1 <sales@action-equip.com>... Relaying denied. Proper authentication required.
Original message follows.

Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007
...
To: <sales@action-equip.com>
Subject: Koyker Backhoe 60

On your website I see:

KoykerTM Backhoe 60
Prices Starting @ $2700.00* Installed

My question: How much for shipping to ...

****end quote***

And note that his asterisk points to "Or similar brand."

I think his advertised price is for whatever the Chinese broker can find (or have built for your prepaid order) somewhere inland in China. Crating, Shipping, Customs, and US delivery would be extra. The hydraulic fittings won't connect to anything you can buy anywhere.

There are a few good dealers for the Chinese stuff and I wouldn't think of buying that stuff without their support.

 

[hill]

I just bought an 8" chipper on EBAY, and used it for the first time yesterday. It works great, and I was supprised how quiet it is compared to bigger commercial type units. It was even quieter than an old Kemp 5hp 4" chipper/shreader I used to use, probably due to not as much thin metal to vibrate during chipping. I'm happy with my Chinese copy of a copy of a real American designed chipper...

Hi Jerry! I followed yours and dougmaster's thread about the chippers and that's what piqued my interest. Could you have a look at the 6" version shown in the ebay listings posted by link in my first post to see if it has a version of the safer operating handle system that you designed and built for your chipper? The seller makes the claim that his are not the Jinma chipper (however much they look alike) but instead are the machine from which Jinma took example,

 

[rickmacheske]

Hmmmm....that tiller looks like the one that I had. Luckily I bought it from a reputable dealer because it lasted a total of 6' before the gear box exploded.

 

[JerryK]

Hi Jerry! I followed yours and dougmaster's thread about the chippers and that's what piqued my interest. Could you have a look at the 6" version shown in the ebay listings posted by link in my first post to see if it has a version of the safer operating handle system that you designed and built for your chipper? The seller makes the claim that his are not the Jinma chipper (however much they look alike) but instead are the machine from which Jinma took example,

If you look on EBAY, you will see lots of different 'Jinma' type disk wood chippers, if you dig around enough, you will run into the older US made versions that are used and still for sale. As to which is better, or first, who knows. They all seem extremly simular, and all come with an identical drawing and parts list. So, I deduct that they are all basically made the same, with different finishing touches. That said, I like the Betst one you have indicated on EBAY. It has a universal driveshaft [still a little short and wimpy], and comes with one of the better designed control system [kind of a stretch to call anything on these units safety related]. The price is very reasonable, and I would be looking hard at them if I was still in the market. I would also spend some time talking or emailing them to see what type of people they are, and how willing they are to help you if you need something. Basically these units are made with common type pillow blocks, pulleys, etc., are built like a tank, and parts should be no problem, and you can get most parts from any of the other 'Jinma' chipper dealers. Anyway, good luck..... Jerry.

 

[Tom_H]

There is a great variance in stuff from china. Can be as good as anything available anywhere, or total show scrapings.

Just be sure not to let your dog or cat lick any of these implements. Most likely has fatally toxic ingredients!!

 

[California]

Just be sure not to let your dog or cat lick any of these implements. Most likely has fatally toxic ingredients!!

When I first started reading here, one of the common themes was the quality, or even nature, of the OEM fluids in the Chinese tractors when they arrive.

I've occasionally wondered if those mystery fluids constituted a partial solution to China's hazardous waste disposal problem.

 

[LarryD]

Well it seems these Chinese products are Be(ij)ing carried by some of the more reputable dealers.
I recently purchased a new set of blades for my chipper from Brim Tractor. Now if you live on the Puget Sound, you probably bought a New Holland tractor from them or at least visited one their dealerships.
I talked to the parts guy and he said he could get any part I needed for the chipper. I'm not sure if they are selling the original units (as with their tractors, they are very proud of their chinese chippers) or clones but it's good to know I can buy parts for my unit. They were actually comparable to other sources I researched for parts.

 

[rural2]

hill, I don't have a dealer list. Just making a broad statement based on my personal observations while traveling between the South Coast and Portland as well as searching through a couple internet classified sites. I have only stopped at three of the places on the road to get a better look, don't feel a need to stop at more. Usually one or more import tractor brands lined up out front, implements stacked like chord wood (most still crated and exposed to the weather) off to the side or in back... There were four dealers within a 40 mile radius of my house at one point (two are now out of business). If you do much traveling I am kind of surprised you have not noticed them. I remember seeing what appeared to me at the time to be similar implements/dealers in Corvalis, Creswell, Newburg, Bremerton, Portland, Dalles, Myrtle Point, Coos Bay... To mention a few.

 

[Greyfields]

I've been searching for a PTO driven thresher, which whenever I google it I get all kinds of Indian and Chinese brands. Wish they'd import one of those for me.

 

[mobilus]

I recently bought a Chinese-made TOPRO 5' rotary cutter from Atwoods (in Texas) for a sale price of $499.99 and then spent a couple of hours putting it together. I was extremely disappointed in the overall quality of the unit, which became more apparent as I assembled it. Holes didn't line up, the gearbox had two bolts loose, and the blades had too much play on the shoulder bolts and flexed vertically (which made one of them actually hit the frame as it spun). I took the stump jumper off, tightened everything up, and the blade still hit the frame after I reinstalled it.

So, dissatisfied with it, I took it back to Atwoods and they refunded my purchase price. Sometimes you get exactly what you pay for. I would have been furious if I was stuck with it.

I have been very pleased with my LandPride 5' finishing mower, so I ordered a LandPride 5' rotary cutter from my local dealer for $1075 and it should be ready for pickup in the next two days. It has been said many times that a man is only as good as his tools, and tool quality is usually relevant to price, so I'll pony up for the extra expense to know something will work and not waste my time. I know there are times when meeting the standard is enough, but this isn't one of them for me. Buy American.

 

[Jae]

I recently bought a Chinese-made TOPRO 5' rotary cutter from Atwoods (in Texas) for a sale price of $499.99 and then spent a couple of hours putting it together. I was extremely disappointed in the overall quality of the unit, which became more apparent as I assembled it. Holes didn't line up, the gearbox had two bolts loose, and the blades had too much play on the shoulder bolts and flexed vertically (which made one of them actually hit the frame as it spun). I took the stump jumper off, tightened everything up, and the blade still hit the frame after I reinstalled it.

So, dissatisfied with it, I took it back to Atwoods and they refunded my purchase price. Sometimes you get exactly what you pay for. I would have been furious if I was stuck with it.

Funny that I had the exact same disapointment with a King Kutter 48" brush mower. I'm pretty sure its "American made", purchased it for $489.00 down at the local TSC. The bolt holes did not line up, the little tail wheel was durn near stuck solid and I had to completey disassemble/re assemble the entire unit just to get it to work. The adjustment for the tail wheel was completey useless as well, I could set it to drag on the ground (with the tail wheel grabbin air) or use the next available hole which made it sit 6" above the ground. A few warranty killing modifications later and I had a decent little mower for the price, I figured it was a good deal for under 500 bucks.

But then again I guess "Sometimes you get exactly what you pay for."

Perhaps I should go and buy a more expensive unit and then compare apples to oranges?