Alternate source for hydraulic top links?

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picker77

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Today I ran across another web vendor who appears to handle HTL's, but have never seen them mentioned in the numerous HTL threads. These are the only ones I've seen outside of CCM that also come with the "miniature" size DPOCV installed. Doesn't appear that they do sidelinks, but they so sell Cat 1, 2, and 3 HTL's. A few dollars more than CCM, but free ship on orders over $50 and the 2" cyl has a 4-year warranty.

Can anyone here who has bought a cylinder and hose kit from these folks comment on your satisfaction with them?

AGRISTORE USA
 
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By Golly, Kenny. You're right-as usual. They are exactly the same. I do like Agristore's hose kit, though. Might get my TL and two sets of hoses from them (free shipping will take care of shipping the hoses too), and see if I can get the sidelink cylinder itself from CCM later, assuming they get started making them again this fall. In the meantime I'll still have the top link installed and working.
 
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Now that I have my new dual rear remotes, I ordered my HTL with DPOCV and hoses today from Agristore USA. Must have caught them just before the UPS guy showed up, because within an hour of the order I had a UPS tracking number and notification they were on the way. This one comes with 3/8" hoses, if it's too "quick" I'll convert to 1/4" and try that. I'll post photos after install.

I intend to build my own hydraulic side link setup. I plan to use a 2x6x1.25 ball end cylinder from Surplus Center, cut the rod end off, and weld on the clevis from the non-adjustable OEM side link. No welding will be required on the cylinder body itself, something I wanted to avoid if possible. Total available travel on my OEM adjustable link is 4", but I'm going with a 6" stroke cyl to have a bit of leeway each direction. Hope I don't regret that. I'll move the OEM adjustable link over to the left side. The ball end on the new cylinder will be 1" instead of 3/4", but I should be able to cure that with a bushing. I won't have DPOCV on the new side link to start with, but later if I think it's needed I can get a local hydraulics shop to install one. Small form factor DPOCV's are available, but the ones I've seen are expensive at $70-$80 each. Here again, I'll post photos if I ever finish this little project.
 
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When I did my Hydraulic top link I got one similar to this and beefed up the tractor end of the mount to accommodate it. 10 years later I have no failures and no complaints. It requires some modifications to equipment but for me well worth the investment due to the increased lift capacity. I regularly heel full trees when I have the grapple/winch on.
 
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Now that I have my new dual rear remotes, I ordered my HTL with DPOCV and hoses today from Agristore USA. Must have caught them just before the UPS guy showed up, because within an hour of the order I had a UPS tracking number and notification they were on the way. This one comes with 3/8" hoses, if it's too "quick" I'll convert to 1/4" and try that. I'll post photos after install.

I intend to build my own hydraulic side link setup. I plan to use a 2x6x1.25 ball end cylinder from Surplus Center, cut the rod end off, and weld on the clevis from the non-adjustable OEM side link. No welding will be required on the cylinder body itself, something I wanted to avoid if possible. Total available travel on my OEM adjustable link is 4", but I'm going with a 6" stroke cyl to have a bit of leeway each direction. Hope I don't regret that. I'll move the OEM adjustable link over to the left side. The ball end on the new cylinder will be 1" instead of 3/4", but I should be able to cure that with a bushing. I won't have DPOCV on the new side link to start with, but later if I think it's needed I can get a local hydraulics shop to install one. Small form factor DPOCV's are available, but the ones I've seen are expensive at $70-$80 each. Here again, I'll post photos if I ever finish this little project.

Picker, be sure that the cylinder from Surplus Center will not bind up on the hydraulic tube housing just below where it fastens to the 3pt lift rod. I'm thinking that you need 2 1/2" from center of the rod to the top of the hydraulic cylinder to clear everything. Not sure that their cylinder has that much distance.

Double check. ;)
 
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Picker, be sure that the cylinder from Surplus Center will not bind up on the hydraulic tube housing just below where it fastens to the 3pt lift rod. I'm thinking that you need 2 1/2" from center of the rod to the top of the hydraulic cylinder to clear everything. Not sure that their cylinder has that much distance.

Double check. ;)

MVR, may I assume you're talking about possible interference between the top of the cylinder and the lift arm when the lift arm is raised all the way up, as in the yellow-circled area in the attached photo?

If so, you are correct, it will be very, very close. Might even have to resort to grinding out a small half-moon from the lift arm at the touch point, although I don't like the idea of grinding ANY metal from the lift arm. Also, I might be able to gain a tad by grinding off 1/8" or so from the outside edge of the ball itself (where it rests against the linch pin), and adding a washer on the inside surface of the ball end to force the ball to ride outboard a little further than usual on the pin. It may also help that this cylinder comes with Cat 2 ball ends, which in addition to being 1" bore are also quite a bit larger in diameter than Cat 1 ball ends. If I do this I'm going to have to add a 3/4" bushing inside the 1" ball end anyway, and that gives me an additional 1/8" clearance in the critical area.

It also helps that this is a rather skinny cylinder at 2-3/8" OD, which is actually smaller than the 2-3/4" outside diameter of the Cat 2 ball end.

I'll jump through a few hoops, though, to avoid welding on that cylinder. That will be my last resort. I had another brilliant idea earlier about buying a clevis cylinder and welding a Cat 1 ball to the end of the upper clevis, which would avoid having to weld on the cylinder itself and give the ball a couple of inches of standoff distance. But if I did that, I'd have to go to a 4" vice 6" cylinder, I think, to avoid having the retracted length too long. Still thinking about that one. I could cobble up something (like fill in the clevis end with a chunk of steel and weld a Cat 1 ball to that), but it would begin to get ugly. :)

For reference, also attached is a dimensioned drawing of the cylinder in question.

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Went back and re-read this this AM to make sure I was coherent late last night, lol. Thought of one other thing I could do to gain extra clearance: replace that right hand upper lift arm mounting pin with one that's 1/2" longer. That would let me ease the ball a little further outboard from its current position, and that mounting pin is nothing more than a standard 3/4" bolt-on hitch pin with a linchpin hole in the end of it. They are commonly available in several lengths.

And thanks for all the sanity checks as I run these things up the flagpole. I'd rather see pitfalls now than after I've hacked up a new $115 cylinder!
 

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When I did my Hydraulic top link I got one similar to this and beefed up the tractor end of the mount to accommodate it. 10 years later I have no failures and no complaints. It requires some modifications to equipment but for me well worth the investment due to the increased lift capacity. I regularly heel full trees when I have the grapple/winch on.

Magicheater, talk about overkill, that is a BEAST of a cylinder. I was mystified how they could sell them for $49 when all the other 4" welded cylinders are $300-$400 each, but then I noticed they have nearly a thousand of them in stock, so they likely bought a boxcar load for pennies on the dollar. I'd probably have to add half a gallon of hydraulic fluid after installing one of those things. With a 2-1/4" rod there would certainly be no bending problems (at least not at the cylinder--I might break off the back half of my tractor instead!), but at nearly 5" in diameter a pair of those things as side links might look a little goofy on my little tractor. :laughing:
 
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MVR, may I assume you're talking about possible interference between the top of the cylinder and the lift arm when the lift arm is raised all the way up, as in the yellow-circled area in the attached photo?

If so, you are correct, it will be very, very close. Might even have to resort to grinding out a small half-moon from the lift arm at the touch point, although I don't like the idea of grinding ANY metal from the lift arm. Also, I might be able to gain a tad by grinding off 1/8" or so from the outside edge of the ball itself (where it rests against the linch pin), and adding a washer on the inside surface of the ball end to force the ball to ride outboard a little further than usual on the pin. It may also help that this cylinder comes with Cat 2 ball ends, which in addition to being 1" bore are also quite a bit larger in diameter than Cat 1 ball ends. If I do this I'm going to have to add a 3/4" bushing inside the 1" ball end anyway, and that gives me an additional 1/8" clearance in the critical area.

It also helps that this is a rather skinny cylinder at 2-3/8" OD, which is actually smaller than the 2-3/4" outside diameter of the Cat 2 ball end.

I'll jump through a few hoops, though, to avoid welding on that cylinder. That will be my last resort. I had another brilliant idea earlier about buying a clevis cylinder and welding a Cat 1 ball to the end of the upper clevis, which would avoid having to weld on the cylinder itself and give the ball a couple of inches of standoff distance. But if I did that, I'd have to go to a 4" vice 6" cylinder, I think, to avoid having the retracted length too long. Still thinking about that one. I could cobble up something (like fill in the clevis end with a chunk of steel and weld a Cat 1 ball to that), but it would begin to get ugly. :)

For reference, also attached is a dimensioned drawing of the cylinder in question.

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Went back and re-read this this AM to make sure I was coherent late last night, lol. Thought of one other thing I could do to gain extra clearance: replace that right hand upper lift arm mounting pin with one that's 1/2" longer. That would let me ease the ball a little further outboard from its current position, and that mounting pin is nothing more than a standard 3/4" bolt-on hitch pin with a linchpin hole in the end of it. They are commonly available in several lengths.

And thanks for all the sanity checks as I run these things up the flagpole. I'd rather see pitfalls now than after I've hacked up a new $115 cylinder!

Yes. The 1 3/8" dimension is a problem I think. I believe that you need about 2 1/2" at that location. The longer bolt to get the hydraulic out away from the lift arm will probably work, but remember that you will then be changing the leverage and that might be a potential problem.

All stuff to ponder. I have got to get out and get some work done.
 
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Yay. New Agristore USA hydraulic top link is installed, works great, life is good. No more busted knuckles when hooking up or climbing on and off the tractor to make adjustment when box blading. The control feathers really smooth and easy, no need for any restrictors for these 3/8" hoses.

Now to do the side link, if the cylinder I ordered ever gets here.
 

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