Tiller Am I crazy? tiller question

[kcarver141]

I have a Kubota BX2230 and bought a used 48" Shibaura RS 2126 tiller. Are these things geared to spin as if the tiller is pushing you? (front to back) the tines are more like curved blades to a point. When spinning the point enters the ground last. If this is a wrong setup can anything be changed?

 

[Villengineer]

Sounds normal for most of the "grey" tillers. That's the way my Yanmar works.

 

[hotchkiss]

I don't have that model tractor, but guess it is less than 50hp. If so, the tiller will have a tendancy to push you. That is normal.

 

[xlr82v2]

Yep, that's standard rotation... the tiller "pushes" the tractor.

Without seeing a picture of your tines, it sounds as if they're worn out. They normally start out new with squared ends, and will wear back to a point at the end of the tine... which, from your description, is what you have. Post a pic of your tines, and we'll be able to tell for sure.

Invest in a set of new tines, and your tiller should perform like it was brand new.

 

[milkman]

Sounds normal for the tiller, blades are probably worn, as for the first question , can't answer that, but I'd think "no" since you have a BX2230, if you were crazy, you'd have bought something else.

 

[Pooh_Bear]

Ok, stupid question time.

If a tiller will push a tractor along,
then why can't one be used on an 8N.
Just put the tranny in neutral
and use the brakes to hold it back.

I already know it won't work
I just want to hear it from
people with more experience.

Pooh Bear

 

[milkman]

Ok, stupid question time.

If a tiller will push a tractor along,
then why can't one be used on an 8N.
Just put the tranny in neutral
and use the brakes to hold it back.

I already know it won't work
I just want to hear it from
people with more experience.

Pooh Bear

Or high speed travel in neutral with a CUT?

 

[RobJ]

I think the big key here is a BX2230, I imagine its a fun ride on that small tractor.

I don't see why you could not run one on an 8N. To heavy? PTO not powerful enougn?

To me they are just another pto driven implement.

 

[xlr82v2]

Ok, stupid question time.

If a tiller will push a tractor along,
then why can't one be used on an 8N.
Just put the tranny in neutral
and use the brakes to hold it back.

I already know it won't work
I just want to hear it from
people with more experience.

Pooh Bear

In "normal" soil, a tiller doesn't have enough "push" to push the tractor forward. In very hard soil where the tiller could grab hard enough to push the tractor, you'd have to know that the "grab" was coming so that you could apply the brakes at just the right time to only push the tractor forward just a couple of inches, instead of the few feet that you might get.

As far as why a tiller doesn't work very well at all on an N, is, just like a lot of jobs using an N tractor, you've only got 5 gears at most, and every single one of them is too damned fast. First gear at rated pto speed runs about 2.5-3mph, probably closer to 3, speaking from experience. I don't have a speed chart handy, but you can look up the numbers. They're just geared too fast to do a decent job with a rear tiller... it's an implement that they were never designed to use, like most PTO powered implements.

the Ford N series tractors were great tractors in their day... unfortunately their day was 60 years ago.

 

[greg_g]

Don't feel you're all alone in the stupid question department Pooh. I thought rotary tiller tines typically rotated opposite the direction of travel. Apparently that's cuz I never owned one. I just assumed they worked similar to a self-propelled garden tiller; chevroned drive wheels pulling forward, tines digging backward.

//greg//

 

[flusher]

I have a Kubota BX2230 and bought a used 48" Shibaura RS 2126 tiller. Are these things geared to spin as if the tiller is pushing you? (front to back) the tines are more like curved blades to a point. When spinning the point enters the ground last. If this is a wrong setup can anything be changed?

Here's the setup for my Kubota B7510HST and the 48" Yanmar RS1200 rototiller.

The tiller rotates clockwise from this angle and will push the tractor forward a little.

I usually plow the ground with my middle buster before using the rototiller. The RS1200 does a good job in one pass with the 7510 creeping along (HST is great for rototilling).

 

[xlr82v2]

I'd venture to guess that at least 90% of all of the rear mounted tillers available are "forward" rotation (just like most small self propelled tillers). There's a few out there that are "reverse" rotation (Landpride has a couple that immediately come to mind) where the tines rotate opposite the direction of travel. But reverse rotation tillers are much more the exception than the norm.

Which is better? Can't really say, I've never used a reverse rotation tiller... but the fact that the vast majority are forward rotation, should say something. Lately it seems that there are more reverse drive tillers becoming available, but I'm not sure that it isn't as much of a marketing scheme as it is anything else. I'm sure that it isn't that they just now thought of making reverse rotation, I'm sure it was tried and tested also back when they first started making rototillers way back "in the day". I'm quite confident that if reverse was the way to go, then most would be turning backwards today. Our forefathers were pretty sharp cookies.

 

[Highbeam]

So if a guy had a tiller with tines that pushed a huge pile of dirt between the tractor and the tiller wouldn't he risk getting stuck there?

The grey market tillers have the strange rice paddy tines that are more like fan blades. They might not be worn out.

I have used a landpride tiller of 60" with my Kioti 30HP tractor and found it to be a dreamy experience in low range of the HST tranny. Sit there, sip your beverage and till for hours on end. The fields look beautiful.

 

[kcarver141]

I guess I'm not crazy! it appears the tiller pushes. I was sure it would till against the forward motion of the tractor, just like a rear tine walkbehind. As for the tines they are blade type. I would like to get the conventional L type but cant seem to find them anywhere.

 

[Pooh_Bear]

In "normal" soil, a tiller doesn't have enough "push" to push the tractor forward. In very hard soil where the tiller could grab hard enough to push the tractor, you'd have to know that the "grab" was coming so that you could apply the brakes at just the right time to only push the tractor forward just a couple of inches, instead of the few feet that you might get.

That was what I was thinking.

I used a bottom plow and a disk harrow last year to work the garden.
Had to plow up a spot twice as big as what we actually used.
Sure would be nice to be able to use a tiller on the tractor (8N).
Oh well, I got an excuse to justify another tractor :0)

Pooh Bear

 

[wushaw]

I just tilled my garden the other day with my Mitsubishi 372 14 pto hp and a 42" Agric tiller. I have clay on one side with sandy loam on the other side, I stalled the tiller several times trying to till to deep and it never pushed me along, the tines would just quit rotating, the slip clutch apparantly doing its job.
I had to make three passes to get to the desired depth I was looking for.

 

[Jimmyp5]

I had to make three passes to get to the desired depth I was looking for.

You know three passes is not a bad thing if your looking for a good till on new ground. I found that I run a little fast on the first pass and then settle down for the next few where it really turns and breaks up the soil well.

That cup holder comes in handy on tilling days...