AMSoil Experiences with Cars & Trucks

[willi67]

Is the price the same no matter who you buy it off?
Is it cheaper to buy from Jerry then Bob?

I got a quote for Amsoil HST fluid in australia ... looks like a lot of levels:laughing:

 

[EMB5530]

I had no idea that so many people don't understand what "multi-level marketing" means and its similarity to a pyramid scheme. Cat Driver obviously has no idea what the term means. And there are even some other names for it. Yes, there are some differences, just as there are some similarities. Perhaps, Wikipedia's definition will help.

I certainly have no objection to you buying Amsoil (or Amway) products from anyone you want to buy from, but I do think consumers should be informed.

If you want to buy Amsoil from Bob and he makes a dime, fine. And does, Jim, who recruited Bob, make a nickel, and does Jerry, who recruited Jim, make a nickel, and on and on. There may be one or two or there may be 10 or 15 "levels" making a profit, not from selling you the product, but for recruiting other salesmen, each of whom tries to recruit additional salesmen. And the end consumer is paying all those people. Without the multi-levels, the product could sell for a lot less. And of course the first ones into the program stand to make a lot of money and the last ones into it make nothing.

And of course there's no similarity between "multi-level marketing" and the route that products take from producer to consumer as in Cat Driver's examples.

Although that is not how it is sold. Becoming a dealer in Amsoil is like opening your own grocery store. You get the products from the supplier and you sell them. How does that make it a Pyramid Scheme?
OK so if one person buy something from another and so on then its a Pyramid Scheme. So used car sales qualify. Also craigslist or ebay?
Just my thoughts, not trying to start a riot.
I think that just because you cant buy Amsoil in Wal-Mart does not mean that they are the Ponzi of the lube industry.

 

[kenmac]

I understand it but, the oil cost me no more. Mary kay products are also multi level marketing as well as alot of other stuff out there. lets say you become an amsoil dealer . To start out your at the bottom rung of the ladder. You get someone else to sign up to be a dealer or prefered customer. You move up the ladder. The more people you get to sign up the higher up the ladder you move & the more $$ you make.I have/ see no problems with it . It's legit . All I'm in it for is to purchase a good oil product. It doesn't affect me. I don't want to sign anyone up or move up the Ladder

 

[Cat_Driver]

I had no idea that so many people don't understand what "multi-level marketing" means and its similarity to a pyramid scheme.

I had no idea Bird would take one of the many definitions of Multi Level marketing and twist that one cherry picked definition and apply it inappropriately to AMWAY.

Here's a common definition, along with many other definition, but I think this definition goes quite nicely with my example of milk from a farmer.

"...........Multi-level marketing was a legitimate business which provided a way for small companies to get their unique products to consumers in small towns and rural areas which had no access to these products. At this time, the products sold themselves, and the multi-level aspect was a way of giving a small reward to those who had worked hard to build the organization. But the focus was always on the product."

See I do know the ORIGINAL definition, and gave my examples accordingly.

Now, if you Bird, want to twist the original concept of MLM or use a derogatory version of MLM and try and convince people they don't "understand" MLM, well then perhaps you are the one who doesn't understand the definition of MLM.

Now I will tear apart you other derogatory comment which has no basis in reality.

Just so we're clear here....."As its name indicates, the pyramid scheme is structured like a pyramid. It starts with one person - the initial recruiter - who is on top, at the apex of the pyramid. This person recruits a second person, who is required to "invest" $100 which is paid to the initial recruiter. In order to make his or her money back, the new recruit must recruit more people under him or her, each of whom will also have to invest $100. If the recruit gets 10 more people to invest, this person will make $900 with just a $100 investment.

Sorry Bird but you clever word "similarity" does not indemnify you of again using insulting language as it applies to AMWAY.

I have walked into many parts store and purchased AMWAY and I never did give anyone any money except for the price of the product. So that would BUST your myth right off the bat, but lets continue shall we.

If I want to "join" AMWAY and purchase their goods I am not obligated to recruit ANYONE. Hmm another myth busted.

OH WAIT before you jump on me and say SEE I TOLD YOU HAD TO PAY , yadda, yadda, yadda. ...let me cut you off before you get started.

I also have to pay before I purchase from Costco, Sams Club and hundreds of other companies. That fact along with my other "pyramid scheme" busters shows you have absolutely no understanding of AMWAY or pyramid schemes, but yet you still proudly defend your position.

So please tell me again how AMWAY is is asking me do anything other than purchase their product.

And not to kick a man while he's down, but I can't resist because you are sticking to your guns. What about when I purchase AMWAY products on line, HUH? I'm not even speaking to another HUMAN, so how would I arrange a pyramid scheme with a COMPUTER.

OK now I'm done.

 

[thatguy]

Is the price the same no matter who you buy it off?
Is it cheaper to buy from Jerry then Bob?

I got a quote for Amsoil HST fluid in australia ... looks like a lot of levels:laughing:

It depends on the 'dealer' on what you pay.. Around here a LOT of dealers sell at their cost (which is the same price a preferred customer gets) to get their volume up. They get incentives for the quantity (or total sales) of products.. Around here some dont even charge for shipping because they can pick up the products at the warehouse for free.

Some dealers resell at the 'retail' price listed in the catalogs and on the website (if you dont add the 'preferred customer' choice to your basket). Then they make profit on the sale and still get the incentives.

Brian



Brian

 

[arrow]

I dont think Bird means it the same way. If you pay Walmart for a product, you have to consider that the product has price build ins. It cost for the producer, the supplier, transportation and end labor. Each of these "down the line" cost factors are certainly not one dimension and the term"multi level" can be applied, however, each of these levels have provided a service for the end user to acquire it. I believe in the case that Bird is relating to is the fact that people are getting a cut from simple association. One guy comes into town and talks to you about his product. He states to you that if you get more recruits, you'll get a cut of everything they sell. If they get more recruits, they'll benefit the same way. Before you know it, the whole region has "product knowledge. It is an effective way of getting a product noticed and increase sales. I do not see any illegality of it but I can understand the inference of some not wanting to pay a built in cost for "association". Personally, I do not care how a product is marketed or who is getting a cut from which way. What matters to me more is the value I'm getting for the what I am buying. Bird has always been a gentleman in his stances. I think you could have explained your belief without jumping down his throat so far. He's a good guy and you are too.

 

[Bird]

OK now I'm done.

Whew! Sure glad you're done.:laughing::laughing: I never meant to upset anyone.

 

[dodge man]

Speaking of the "prefered customer" which is something like $20 a year. I wonder who that money goes to?

 

[thatguy]

Speaking of the "prefered customer" which is something like $20 a year. I wonder who that money goes to?

my guess is that it goes to Amsoil so they can send you their catalogs and promotional offerings in the mail..

brian

 

[dmccarty]

Whew! Sure glad you're done.:laughing::laughing: I never meant to upset anyone.

:laughing::laughing::laughing:

You are surprised?

You are talking about OIL.
Synthetic oil.
AND Amsoil.



Someone is going to get upset.



To the OP. I looked at Amsoil years ago. At the time they did not have an API rated diesel oil so I moved on to other products.

I have used a variety of engine oils over the years and I balance price and quality. Lately I have been using JD 0xW40 engine oil because it was a really good price compared to Shell 5xW40 oil. The last bucket was expensive and I will revisit what I use next time.

For my tractor's transmission oil I just use the JD stuff. Have no reason to change. It works and they have it in stock when I need it. For my tractor I do not see what difference a more expensive oil is going to buy me running in the tranny.

Later,
Dan