Amsoil in a Duramax

[gsxr1100]

I do not know what the means. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif Maybe you could add to this since it makes no sense or added valve.

 

[gsxr1100]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( My statements were based on spectro and ferrographic analysis results using this oil. The only problem is comparing the two as we changed to Predictive Maintenance for our lab midstream. )</font>

Well kindly post the results then.

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I ran an interim change with Delo 400, and then went to Delvac 1 and haven't looked back... )</font>

Again we are talking to different classes of oil here. Your delo and delvac are not ester nor PAO based and only a group 3. Just going by TBN and ZDDP, the oilsyou use have less; hence less protection. Are they good oils sure but when you compare to a higher group…well things go south.

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I'm a dealer for Amsoil (isn't everybody) but am open minded in my choice of oils based on the insight of my friend George at www.avlube.com and his wealth of knowledge/experience. As for the 4 ball test that Amsoil likes to use, I am told that this test more closely assimilates the sliding action of a hypoid gear than any force in an engine. )</font>

Uh, not everyone is a dealer. Take away the four ball and look at the Noack Volatility, for example. Mobil is over 16 and Amsoil 6. You need or use more oil when using. I could go on and on but just look at the test results. Also you friend at avlubes is an ExxonMobil Distributorr…go figure

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I'm far from an oil expert in terms of PAO, esters, etc. All I know is that my truck runs at 500+ RWHP, and over 1000 lb/ft of TQ at the wheels, and Delvac 1 at 7-8k intervals is doing the job better than the Amsoil 5w30 did back when I was in the low 300HP range...)</font>

Goes back to my first post/reply. I find that very hard to believe since the add pkg alone is very different. This also goes back to my #2 reply.



Delo

Aluminum 1ppm
Barium 0ppm
Boron 0ppm
Calcium 3343 ppm
Chromium 0ppm
Copper 0ppm
Flashpoint-450F
Iron 1ppm
Lead 0ppm
Magnesium 23ppm
Molybdenum 0ppm
Nickle 0ppm
Phophorous 1116ppm
Potassium 0ppm
Silicon 5ppm
Silver 0ppm
Sodium 1ppm
Tbn 10.63
Tin 0ppm
Titanium 0ppm
Vanadium 0ppm
VIS@100C 15.95cSt
Vis@210F-80.5
Zinc 1329ppm


Delvac

Aluminum 1ppm
Barium 0ppm
Boron 154ppm
Calcium 2107ppm
Chromium 0ppm
Copper 0ppm
Flashpoint 425F
Insolubles 0.0
Iron 2ppm
Lead 0ppm
Magnesium 421ppm
Manganese 0ppm
Molybdenum 0ppm
Nickel 0ppm
Phosphorus 1090ppm
Potassium 0ppm
Silicon 6ppm
Silver 0ppm
Sodium 1ppm
SUS VISCOSITYat210F 78.6
Tin 0ppm
Titanium 0ppm
Zinc 1216 ppm

Delo has a god base stock.
Delvac has a better additive package.

 

[cowboydoc]

<font color="red">Well kindly post the results then.
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You know for once why don't YOU post results and true peer reviewed research that actually means something more than a persons opinion!! People always give you information and it's worthless because it's not yours. It has been shown time and again that the 4 ball test is nothing more than a cheap parlor trick. It means nothing. Then you hide in the corner and say go find it on the internet when anyone asks you for real information. You aren't the only one that knows anything about oils. Even your beloved bitog contradicts you on several points you've made here. Kennedy's results differ from yours and he got better results with another oil. Get over it and leave it alone. But of course you wont' and will just come back slamming him and me. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

 

[Charolais]

<font color="red">more than a persons opinion </font>

/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif Well look who's talking. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

I'm still laughing. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

 

[gsxr1100]

I never stated that cowboy. I said post the results (of the oil test). Based on the 3 oils in question, the starting (unused) #’s do not add up. The group 4/5 oil are higher from the get go. It is just pure logic here. It will tell you if you have 4K ppm of Ca in on oil and only 2100ppm or 3300ppm in another, the one with the higher will perform better. Not to hard here.

I also never stated his info was worthless. I posted some numbers to aid in some info.

You are so hung up on the 4-ball tell is is comical. I would not slam you or anyone. You are WAY to worked up on this.

Again based on the oil tests on the three the ZDDP alone is much high. Just takes BASIC reasoning.

 

[MikePA]

<font color="blue"> I do not know what the means. Maybe you could add to this since it makes no sense or added valve. </font>
You quote scientific facts and figures for the different classes of oils as proof of why you state one is better than another. Yet when asked for proof for your claim that '...most part American's have these short drains engraved into there brain.' you cite (1) Your experience and (2) The searching of a few Internet forums.

Empirical data and personal experience is not proof. It's your opinion, nothing more and nothing less.

 

[gsxr1100]

I did not know you where still "hungup" on another thread on this thread/topic.

The proof is a simple oil test and then you can view the data. Or look at used oil test (Empirical data) and then see which is better. I have used other oils in the past and I know the outcome, since I used the oil. That is called personal experience.

It is not opinion when using a better oil and the tests come out better..... /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif Even a child can view two oil tests and ask some simple questions and why are the numbers higher.

We can always talk about filters, etc too. /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

 

[MikePA]

I am not hung up on anything. I am simply asking you to be consistent.

Independant, scientific studies of oils can be used as proof of a hypothesis

Your random samplings of 2 Internet forum can not.

Two sentences, simple enough for a child to understand.

 

[KennedyDiesel]

WHAT-EVER.....

 

[cowboydoc]

<font color="red">Just takes BASIC reasoning.
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Basic reasoning without scientific proof means nothing. Many things in life seems simple but in reality defy one person or anothers thinking. The only thing that is concrete is what has been shown to be better. I'll again use the super unleaded issue. It should be better to use because of everything in it yet tests have shown it does nothing. Show me the tests that show that an engine running synthetic or any other combination is better than dino oil. Is synthetic going to make my engine run another 100k? Just because one chemical or another is higher or lower does it really matter on the bottom line? You mention oil tests all the time. Yet all of our oil tests come back great from Blackstone using Rotella. No excessive wear from cold starts or anything else that synthetic is supposed to do better. You use amsoil Kennedy uses mobil 1. He says it's better you say it isn't. Where is the proof that what you say matters in the least bit?? Yea I know it has better chemicals, etc. but does it really matter in the end?

<font color="red">It will tell you if you have 4K ppm of Ca in on oil and only 2100ppm or 3300ppm in another, the one with the higher will perform better. </font>

Take this for example. How do you know it will perform better? Based on what?

Another example is your own body. For awhile there was a craze to take megadoses of vitamins. Well megadoses of vitamins actually cause alot of harm. There is a point where too much has no good effects and everything is negative and actually has disastrous consequences. That is my point here. Where is the research that shows that megadoses of additives do anything more than cost money?