Amsoil Syn Hydraulic Fluid vs Super UDT or NH 200

[gsxr1100]

The API issue has come up time and time again (old news). From the past users, to the tests, I do not think this is an issue. If you know the API sets limits on certain areas in the oil in which you want. I for one want more P, Zn and Ca in my oil. For me the API cert means zero to me. If you want or need an API cert on a bottle then buy that oil.

Example, there Xl-series oil WAS a group 4 PAO without API cert. Now the XL series uses a group 3 dino oil and is API cert. The complete add. pkg had to be lowered and less expensive base stock were used. So take the API for what it is worth....

The Super UDT spec covers MORE the hyd specifications as I was told. So the fluid (super UDT) must pass hyd criteria and other criteria (etc.engine, gears etc) within the same Super UDT spec.

Based on their [Amsoil) oils, they have no reason to lie since there name is on the line.

 

[KennedyDiesel]

I may just end up running the stuff myself, you never know.

My point is that not testing to API spec is like the plumber who is not licensed, but the company says he's qualified, or the dealer tech who hasn't tested on diesel certification, but the service mgr says he's qualified. Or the Dr/med student who did all but take the final test...

Admittedly, there are a lot of people qualified, and even more than qualified to jobs requiring or suggesting certification (myself included) but we are relying on the person referring them for the job...

As for additives they are part of the total pkg, and sometimes more isn't necessarily better.

 

[gsxr1100]

My point or example was that the oil WAS better before the API cert. Now with an API cert they had to lower the adds etc. More adds ARE better but the API limits you as noted in the proper API/SAE spec's. If you want a lesser oil then get the API oils. I know that the Xl-series is WAY low on the good parts that I personaly want.

Also most Amsoil users test the oil and so far the results are great.

The examples you stated are good but just because someone took a 40 hour class or whatever do not mean they are more qualified then someone else. They passed a class either by grade of just showing up. Example, you have doctors that just make the grade and some that are great; but they are all doctors, go figure.

So if you have an issue call or email them.

 

[MikePA]

<font color="blue"> Example, you have doctors that just make the grade and some that are great; but they are all doctors, go figure. </font>
This is true of every profession. Whether someone graduates with a GPA of 2.01 or 4.00, they both get, for example, a BS in Engineering (my dad had a BS in ME). Not to mention that the doctor who just makes the grade can have the best bedside manner and treat their patients with love and care while the doctor who had a GPA of 4.00 can be the most arrogant and self centered person who could care less about treating patients. People, unlike oil, have objective as well as subjective qualities.

 

[gsxr1100]

I agree but you can also have a much LOWER GPA and still get a degree or be "qualified" per the degree. While getting my BSME, my University [of Hartford] is private and very very few do not pass. Even the floaters passed! They do not slap the hand that feeds them. For about $350 per credit, very few failed. A high school kid can give some a run for there money.

Case in point, qualified or licensing means jack....I can go to training at work and become “qualified” in many areas after a little class. It means nothing unless it is on my resume.

So back the the topic. If you have a questions on the Amsoil ATH call or email them. I contacted them 3 times on this issue and after 3 times I got it. Do not post it here, contact them directly.

That fluid will be more then fine in any UDT or Super UDT hyd application.

 

[KennedyDiesel]

...and some have a BS in B.S. from Amsoil U! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Seriously though, good product I am sure. Their ways of marketing can be a bit deceptive. For someone who gives such little regard to the API certification, Amatuzo sure likes to use the "First to market with a synthetic that passed API requirements"

My point here is the API is the standard that is there to ensure that oils meet spec. If they certify it, then it meets their criteria plain and simple. Amsoil has not been certified, but claims to be superior. It may well be, but has not been certified.


FWIW, Back to hydrauklic fluid, I bought 7.5 gallons (3ea 2.5 gallon jugs) of Kubota Super UDT from Ronnie at www.tractorsmart.com (based on forum member referral) for a price that was right in there with my Amsoil wholesale price using the 5 gallon pail rate times 1.5.


PS the BS in B.S. was not pointed at anyone, just my thoughts on the giant marketing pep rally that Amsoil holds.

 

[cowboydoc]

<font color="red">What I will say is that Amsoil typically "recommends" their particular product for applications requiring "xyz" spec based on their own spec or word, but have not had them tested by the mfr that developed the spec.
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Thank you Kennedy!! This has been my beef with amsoil and others for a long time. Amsoil can say what they want about it being certified but unless the mfg. says that it is an approved oil people can and are losing their warranty's because of oil issues. All you have to do is go to Dodge, Ford, Chevy, Cat, etc. chat boards and there are hundreds of people that are having warranty denied because of using non-approved oil, not following mfg. recommendations for changing, and extended drains.

 

[gsxr1100]

Richard- and the proof of this is?

 

[gsxr1100]

If having an oil or fluid be certified is that important buy and oil that is.

Again, I really do not care. All I am saying is that many API cert oil are again very poor in the add pkg. But if that makes you happy, so be it.

 

[slowrev]

One point here I did not see made. If a lubricant you use in a machine is not API certified per the specified requirements for the machine, then is your warranty void ?
Ben