Amsoil

[_RaT_]

The Dodge trucks could have applied some of that "throw up oil" from the Suburban to help cut down on all the squeaks and rattles that eminate from them. Of course I refer to the old style Dodge truck Mr Chalkey, something I too am quite certain you would have no part of. Rat...

 

[jdkid]

Mark-you said the price to dealers for amsoil, what price is valvoline oil over there? i pay about US$11.00 A Gal in New Zealand for it .now heres where the oil story takes a turn you are right in saying tractors work in dust (even lawn tractors how offen have people cut to low on a high spot and sent clouds of dust around them?) this brings another thing in to oil story ,poor air filters letting small bits of dust in to the motor and ending up in the oil .I have read (T/F you may know) a motor has the life of 150-250grams(about 8 oz)of dust to kill it,cummins have showen this by adding a small hand full of dirt gradually and killed the motor in less than 8 hours .you are right in saying about better oil filters and/or bypass filters if ya can't stop the dust moving around it will not make any diffrence what kind of oil you are running .In cars ,pick-ups,on road trucks synthetic will be the way to go in years to come as more and more motors become high-tech but for off-road trucks ,earth movers ,tractors untill the filters are updated in to the 21st cent synthetic oil may be to costly for short oil changes BUT in saying that if ya haveing a great run out of the oil you are useing i'd stick with it
JD Kid

 

[PaulB]

Paddock - here is how it works for me. My tractor has a recommended oil change interval of 100 hours, filter change every 200 hours. I can not stomach the thought of changing oil without changing the filter, and for me 50 hours is almost 6 months of use, so with petroleum I change oil and filter every 50 hours. The figures therefore are as follows:
Petroleum oil : I used to change it at 50 hours, along with filter. Cost $4 for 4 quarts of oil, $6 for filter . In 200 hours I would spend , therefore, $40. Cheap, and well worth the peace of mind knowing that I am doubling the manufacturers recommended oil change frequency.
Amsoil : Costs $20 for 4 quarts, same filter as above, so 1 oil and filter change costs $26. I can do it one of 2 ways from here. I can follow the manufacturers recommendation, and change everything at every 100 hours. Cost for 200 hours will therefore be $52. Or, I can change the filter at the manufacturers recommended 200 hours and change the oil then too. I can get away with this because synthetics do not evaporate at the same rate as petroleum, so I feel I can stick to hours run rather than calender time. Cost for 200 hours will therefore be $26. Either way I feel I am providing equal or superior protection for a trivial difference in cost. As you can see, if I decide to stick to 200 hours for oil and filter changes (remember this is the Kubota recommended interval for filter changes) it actually makes synthetic CHEAPER to use.

 

[JBM]

Mark, do you sell that "meaningless drivel"? - by the quart or gallon? And what viscosity is it? A lot of valid points have been brought up since I started this thread with an innocent question. I've learned a lot and changed my mind on viscosity several times. I was checking the manual for my Honda motorcycle and though it recommends 10W-30, it also has a chart of air temperature/viscosity that shows for the temperature range here in Florida any viscosity up to 20W-50 is all right to use. My original intent was to reduce the number of different lubricants I need to have on hand for my 14 gas and diesel engines (cars, trucks, motorcycle, tractors, boat, small mower, irrigation pump and generator). I placed an order for 4 cases of the Amsoil 15W-40 diesel oil and a half dozen oil filters - I've decided to use this in all the engines when each is due for a change. Will let you all know if I have an engine failure due to the type of oil.
JB

 

[_RaT_]

Paul, certainly cannot argue with that. Common sense prevails. I have always considered using synthetic in my tractor, at least my new when it gets to that point. its the expense of using it in my truck I was considering. Perhaps it is worthwhile. Whats the sayin. Cars use 30% of their horsepower, trucks use 60% and tractors use 90%. When/if I get a new 4610, I'll certainly consider it.

 

[jdkid]

hi Paul-you make a good point, my oil changes are at 250 Hrs (ment to be 500 but i feel better doing it early)to put 250 Hr on my tractor it takes about 6 weeks filter and oil are droped at that time .on the point of changeing filters you CAN change them too offen (I know people will be saying BULL$#IT)a new filter might stop 20Mu dirt and other things when new BUT as it blocks the screening is finer (i know you guys will be ringing filter guys to find out)I have been told by a guy who tests injectors and his wording is(a filter only realy works in it's last 10%of it's life)just think dose a blocked filter let anything though it??with alot of you guys i have noticed you are doing low hours per year with your oil sitting around for long amounts of time maybe a synthetic would handle starting and stoping so offen and repel condensation (spelling was not a strong point)as a footnote i don't think i can buy amsoil in New Zealand
catch ya
JD Kid

 

[MChalkley]

I think Valvoline costs a little under $2 a quart here, but it's been a while since I bought any. Someone who knows will jump in a say for sure.

You're right about the filters' not working nearly as well when they're new as they do later in their livespan. That's another reason the bypass filters are so effective. They catch down to 1 micron or so, even when they're new because they don't have to pass all the oil for the engine.

Mark

 

[MChalkley]

No, I don't sell it. Can't. Shoot, most of the time I can't even give it away. /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

I'm not expecting to hear of any problems from your using the 15w40 in everything. It's good stuff and will have a viscosity far closer to the right range than petroleum does 3/4 of the time anyway. I would like to hear your results, though. If you notice any other differences in performance, efficiency, temperatures, etc, let us know.

Mark

 

[_RaT_]

I sell it in bulk, minimum is 55 gals. My biggest customer share is in Florida. Rat

 

[_RaT_]

Sorry Mark, but I believe JBM was talking to me. But your right, I just give it away for free to everyone, except those folks from Florida. They are more then willing to pay for it. From here on out Mr Chalkey, I will attempt to differentiate myself from you, you may call me Sir King Rat, hehehe, one Mark is more then enough. Rat...