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[RolandW]

@sunandsand,

Is your idea of Americans buying Chinese made BYD cars a good thing?

I’m not being confrontational. There’s no wrong answer here.

I just want you to tell all of us “ignoramuses” on electric cars why that would be a good thing?

I don't believe sunandsand called anybody an ignoramus.
While he does make assumptions that I find hard to swallow ("...in a few years, [tenacious EV fires] will be a non-issue"), I like the tone of his comment. Consumers and producers should be free to trade as they see fit. When blowhard politicians impose a massive tariff, consumers are the ones who are forced to pay it when they have to fork over more for the foreign-made good or its domestically produced equivalent. It wastes resources and makes us all poorer. The global division of labor is a marvelous thing, but useless politicians, many of whom have never in their lives produced anything that people would voluntarily pay their own money for, love to hoodwink voters into hating it.

 

[Hay Dude]

I don't believe sunandsand called anybody an ignoramus.

I am calling myself, and perhaps a few others here “ignoramuses” on EV’s because I am one. I don’t know a lot about them, I just don’t want them mandated on me. I live in one of the 9 states they are to be mandated on, so it’s important to me to know why it’s attractive to buy a Chinese made EV. I can’t afford a Tesla.

While he does make assumptions that I find hard to swallow ("...in a few years, [tenacious EV fires] will be a non-issue"), I like the tone of his comment. Consumers and producers should be free to trade as they see fit. When blowhard politicians impose a massive tariff, consumers are the ones who are forced to pay it when they have to fork over more for the foreign-made good or its domestically produced equivalent. It wastes resources and makes us all poorer. The global division of labor is a marvelous thing, but useless politicians, many of whom have never in their lives produced anything that people would voluntarily pay their own money for, love to hoodwink voters into hating it.

Maybe they are trying to protect America from a complete takeover of everything we own & buy being made in china?

 

[RolandW]

I am calling myself, and perhaps a few others here “ignoramuses” on EV’s because I am one. I don’t know a lot about them, I just don’t want them mandated on me. I live in one of the 9 states they are to be mandated on, so it’s important to me to know why it’s attractive to buy a Chinese made EV. I can’t afford a Tesla.


Maybe they are trying to protect America from a complete takeover of everything we own & buy being made in china?

When you enclose a word in quotation marks, you denote that it's what somebody else said. Agreed about the EV mandates, as you can see from my other comments.
You seem to have a much higher opinion of American politicians than I have. They are mostly lying, self-interested losers who think that voters will rally behind them any time they promise to save us from the latest boogieman. Just as Americans should be free to purchase whatever types of vehicles they choose, they also should be free to choose the producers they buy from. If great numbers of them choose to shun foreign manufacturers, then so be it. I just don't want the proven liars in DC making that choice for me. Self-sufficiency might sound noble, but it is a recipe for a miserable, hand-to-mouth existence. Politicians should mind their own business and stop poking hornet's nests for personal gain.

 

[Hay Dude]

When you enclose a word in quotation marks, you denote that it's what somebody else said.

It also denotes a feeling the quoter has that is read-into your post.

Agreed about the EV mandates, as you can see from my other comments.

The mandates are part of the reason we are forced into limited choices. Those choices have a lot of Chinese made components and geo-political implications in them. It’s pretty clear ICE vehicles have traditionally had more US made components in them. Yes, i know about Tesla, but they are at prices unreachable by most.

You seem to have a much higher opinion of American politicians than I have.

They are mostly lying, self-interested losers who think that voters will rally behind them any time they promise to save us from the latest boogieman.

No, I don’t have a high opinion of them.

Just as Americans should be free to purchase whatever types of vehicles they choose, they also should be free to choose the producers they buy from. If great numbers of them choose to shun foreign manufacturers, then so be it. I just don't want the proven liars in DC making that choice for me. Self-sufficiency might sound noble, but it is a recipe for a miserable, hand-to-mouth existence. Politicians should mind their own business and stop poking hornet's nests for personal gain.

See, I think being dependent upon China for everything is a miserable and a very dangerous existence.


But you choose, bro. You do you, I’ll do me.

I choose a Pro-America agenda. Choice? Of course. Mandates? Never.

 

[CliffordK]

How about a link to the video so we know the rest of the story.

I posted a longer video clip, post #3. It appears as if the photographer was simply driving by, and only had a short clip OF THE FIRE OF A GAS CAR AT A GAS STATION.

 

[RB5]

I have several issues with EVs. They don't do well in cold or extreme heat. The range drops. When it is 110 my gas powered F150 with max cooling can idle with the a/c running as long as I have fuel. I can also refuel almost anywhere in minutes. EVs are all touted as powerful, fast, great towing capacity. When you hook up a trailer and run the a/c on a hot day what happens to the range? The same thing that happens to the range in a gas powered truck. The difference is I can get gas at a lot of places. A lot of places I go have no charging stations. Where I live it is 20 - 45 minutes minimum to go to the store or get something to eat at a restaurant. I don't make very many trips right around the corner. Maybe an EV would be ok for just running around town close by. I would still want a gas powered truck as my other vehicle. Another problem I see is a lof the EVs tout these great 0 to 60 times to prove they are faster that gas powered vehicles. If you really want to do something, make them more efficient instead of faster. Take the range up to 750 miles on a charge with a little less power. Make it about the same capability as a gas vehicle instead of faster, but I guess "I'm faster" grabs headlines. Given the lack of charging facilities available here I would have range anxiety the entire time I was driving. That one fact by itself is enough for me to stick with gas. I remember renting one of those electric 25mph golf carts in Galveston one year when we took the kids there. Drove all over, but by late afternoon it could barely go up the hill on the way to drop it off. I know current EVs are nothing like those, but that would be playing over and over in my head a I suffered from range anxiety.

 

[CliffordK]

I have several issues with EVs. They don't do well in cold or extreme heat. The range drops. When it is 110 my gas powered F150 with max cooling can idle with the a/c running as long as I have fuel. I can also refuel almost anywhere in minutes. EVs are all touted as powerful, fast, great towing capacity. When you hook up a trailer and run the a/c on a hot day what happens to the range? The same thing that happens to the range in a gas powered truck. The difference is I can get gas at a lot of places. A lot of places I go have no charging stations. Where I live it is 20 - 45 minutes minimum to go to the store or get something to eat at a restaurant. I don't make very many trips right around the corner. Maybe an EV would be ok for just running around town close by. I would still want a gas powered truck as my other vehicle. Another problem I see is a lof the EVs tout these great 0 to 60 times to prove they are faster that gas powered vehicles. If you really want to do something, make them more efficient instead of faster. Take the range up to 750 miles on a charge with a little less power. Make it about the same capability as a gas vehicle instead of faster, but I guess "I'm faster" grabs headlines. Given the lack of charging facilities available here I would have range anxiety the entire time I was driving. That one fact by itself is enough for me to stick with gas. I remember renting one of those electric 25mph golf carts in Galveston one year when we took the kids there. Drove all over, but by late afternoon it could barely go up the hill on the way to drop it off. I know current EVs are nothing like those, but that would be playing over and over in my head a I suffered from range anxiety.

I think the speed thing may be Elon Musk and Tesla. Remember his first EV was a little convertible sports car, then killed the whole thing with a bunch of sedans.
Apparently at least the older Tesla motors were great for pulling a massive car 0 to 60, but weren't that great for a hauling application pulling pickup and massive trailer uphill.

I bumped into this article yesterday,

Detroit went all in on big, expensive EVs nobody wants. Here's what the data shows they'd rather buy.

It is a good article. Many people like economy vehicles, and "green". That doesn't necessarily include a $100K GMC Hummer Behemoth.

On the flip side, there are several "economy" EV commuters with a range of about 100 miles and no supercharging. I.E. You're stuck in town. Think Fiat 500 EV (before 2020), and Spark EV.

I think most consumers want to have their cake and eat it too. So, a car that costs pennies, is very efficient to drive, and will go a zillion miles on a recharge.

Aptera promises a lot of that... but has been having troubles getting their products out the door after their big X-Prize fail.

I do think the F150 market is a lucrative market if the EV manufactures break into that, but keep in mind that a F150 is a lot less expensive than a F350, and for a good reason.

Nonetheless, the Big Three have been avoiding plunging into the retail small car market for quite some time, and slowly whittle away at their market share.

My Transit Connect EV has about an 80 mile range. Fine for most around town shopping, although I have to be careful about doing a long drive, then going home and going out again. On 110V, it takes a very long time to recharge.

 

[RolandW]

But you choose, bro. You do you, I’ll do me.
I choose a Pro-America agenda. Choice? Of course. Mandates? Never.

But when they prohibit or put unaffordably high tariffs on foreign goods (like the 100 percent that Trump has threatened), they have taken that choice away. You still have your preferred option, but consumers who want those foreign goods no longer have theirs. It amounts to a mandate, because their right to choose has been taken away.
I won't buy a Chinese EV because I don't want an EV, period. But it is illogical to on the one hand say that it's wrong for the government to dictate economic activity by taking away your option for an ICE vehicle, while on the other hand saying that it's okay for them to dictate which suppliers we may buy from. What you buy and from whom you buy it are both components of economic liberty, and economic liberty is pro-America.
An edit: My calling politicians self-interested was not a very useful description, since all humans tend to act in their own self-interest. Greedy would have been a better word.

 

[tradosaurus]

ICE vehicle catches fire at gas station?
Time to get rid of my ICE now for my own personal safety.

 

[RB5]

I think the speed thing may be Elon Musk and Tesla. Remember his first EV was a little convertible sports car, then killed the whole thing with a bunch of sedans.
Apparently at least the older Tesla motors were great for pulling a massive car 0 to 60, but weren't that great for a hauling application pulling pickup and massive trailer uphill.

I bumped into this article yesterday,

Detroit went all in on big, expensive EVs nobody wants. Here's what the data shows they'd rather buy.

It is a good article. Many people like economy vehicles, and "green". That doesn't necessarily include a $100K GMC Hummer Behemoth.

On the flip side, there are several "economy" EV commuters with a range of about 100 miles and no supercharging. I.E. You're stuck in town. Think Fiat 500 EV (before 2020), and Spark EV.

I think most consumers want to have their cake and eat it too. So, a car that costs pennies, is very efficient to drive, and will go a zillion miles on a recharge.

Aptera promises a lot of that... but has been having troubles getting their products out the door after their big X-Prize fail.

I do think the F150 market is a lucrative market if the EV manufactures break into that, but keep in mind that a F150 is a lot less expensive than a F350, and for a good reason.

Nonetheless, the Big Three have been avoiding plunging into the retail small car market for quite some time, and slowly whittle away at their market share.

My Transit Connect EV has about an 80 mile range. Fine for most around town shopping, although I have to be careful about doing a long drive, then going home and going out again. On 110V, it takes a very long time to recharge.

Yeah Musk built mostly luxury versions or more expensive models at first from what I remember. Jumping up and down and saying how fast the car is gets headlines and some buyers that want something different. Long term needs to be affordability and efficiency.