And the HP Wars Begin

[TheGoose]

Strongly disagree with you on that one. I have driven them all, Ford P-Stroke, Cummins, and Chevy.

We had a 6.0 P-Stroke that was actually used to perform work, unlike most diesel trucks on the road. Towed Case 580K back-hoes, multiple gooseneck trailers to/from job-sites. Pulled stuck tractors and rigs out. In general using these trucks for what they were designed for. Had trouble with them all too.

In mine and my families experience the D-Max has performed very well. Diesels and bad injectors are just a part of the game. Last time I checked nobody made an injector that didn't eventually need replacement, including Ford.

We got rid of the 6.0, but replaced it with the 6.4 because that was the only engine available for the equipment we need. You know, the one Ford bragged about so much they are already replacing it!! Jury's still out on this one, but I still like the Dmax better.

Scorpion has yet to sell a single unit, let's wait before we pass judgement.

The Scorpion has a lot of proving to do I will agree. The hope is Ford did the R&D necessary to hit a ball out of the park. If its anything like their class leading trucks it should be a winner.

When has Dmax been the real deal? I agree its a decent engine but that is where it stops. They have problems just like any other. Trust me, I had one and my neighbor has one sitting in his drive with bad injectors right now. The rest of the truck is just not up to par. They are making improvements to keep it in line with Ford but that IFS is a joke and you know it.

Lets face it the Dmax is at the end of its rope. Time will tell if Isuzu can come up with another winner for them.

Chris

 

[dgl24087]

Diesel Power Curve Comparison! 2011 Power Stroke V-8 vs 2011 Duramax V-8 - PickupTrucks.com News

 

[Diamondpilot]

I can not wait to see how they stack up in the real world say pulling a 14K dump trailer loaded then a 16,000# GN or 5th Wheel trailer. I would also like to see stopping distances with both rigs and fuel economy of both on say a 200 mile trip including both stop and go traffic, grade climbs, and highway driving at 70mph. There tranny, rear axle, tire size, ect can change all the numbers.

Chris

 

[RobertN]

You are just so realistic sometimes

I can not wait to see how they stack up in the real world say pulling a 14K dump trailer loaded then a 16,000# GN or 5th Wheel trailer. I would also like to see stopping distances with both rigs and fuel economy of both on say a 200 mile trip including both stop and go traffic, grade climbs, and highway driving at 70mph. There tranny, rear axle, tire size, ect can change all the numbers.

Chris

 

[Ryan03]

All I can say about this is, if that powerful engine is protected by an eggshell what good is it? I offer the following pictures as evidence. The first, is a picture of the 2005 Chevy 2500, (US government truck,) that rear ended me in upstate NY. It was completely totaled. The next picture is of the rear end of my truck, where he hit me. All the police, and people who saw this were astounded, as was I. My truck is a 2004 F250 crew cab super duty,short bed, with V10. I know, "they make em stronger now," I don't believe a word of it. Of course, Uncle Saw has yet to even look at the damage to my truck, let alone settle up, it's been two months. I bet if I had hit the Government truck, My wages would be garnished, and my tax return confiscated by now.

Uhh, not to rain on your parade, but it is pretty obviose that the bumper on truck that hit you, for the most part went under the rear bumper on your F 250. The radiator support, hood and fenders on the GM beared the brunt of the impact with your much stouter rear bumper and hitch. About 10 years ago, a woman in a mid 90's 1500 2wd chevy rearende my 99 F350 4x4 dualy. The results were very similar to what you posted. My false sense of security was short lived, as about a month later a coworker rearended a dakota with his New 2000 F250 a block away from work. his Ford looked alot like the chevy in your picture afterwards.

As for the insurance, I would place a call to your states insurance commisioner.

 

[TheGoose]

Unfortunately most people who buy one will only be able to tell you about how many sacks of groceries it was able to haul.
They won't be able to tell you anything about how it tows or stops under a load.

I can not wait to see how they stack up in the real world say pulling a 14K dump trailer loaded then a 16,000# GN or 5th Wheel trailer. I would also like to see stopping distances with both rigs and fuel economy of both on say a 200 mile trip including both stop and go traffic, grade climbs, and highway driving at 70mph. There tranny, rear axle, tire size, ect can change all the numbers.

Chris

 

[dgl24087]

Official: Ford 6.7-liter PowerStroke gets 800 lb-ft as of next week, upgrades available Autoblog#continued#continued

 

[VitaBene]

Official: Ford 6.7-liter PowerStroke gets 800 lb-ft as of next week, upgrades available Autoblog#continued#continued

I wish the that fuel mileage would be a greater concern than this foolishness. If you need a medium duty truck, get one. Stuffing a lot of motor in a 3/4 or 1 ton truck does not make it a MD.

 

[Dmace]

I wish the that fuel mileage would be a greater concern than this foolishness. If you need a medium duty truck, get one. Stuffing a lot of motor in a 3/4 or 1 ton truck does not make it a MD.

Another reason to stick to the tried and proven Cummins diesel RAM with no Diesel Exhaust Fluid required and 350hp/650lb.ft. :thumbsup:

 

[Diamondpilot]

Another reason to stick to the tried and proven Cummins diesel RAM with no Diesel Exhaust Fluid required and 350hp/650lb.ft. :thumbsup:

While I agree the Cummins is the class leader it will be a hard sell with GM and Ford making 50 more HP and 150 FT LB more torque and tow ratings being as much as 5,000# more. Dodge will have to follow to sell trucks. Remember many who buy them want bragging rights, thats why they sell the way they do.

Anyway I am glad Ford is back on top where they belong. Cant let them folks in Washington win the race.

Chris