anemic battery

[Soundguy]

how come nh went to such an anemic battery in the xx10S series machines, vs the old trusty 4DLT from the thousand series.

It's kinda annoying to have to pull my 34 year old ford 5000 around tot he front of the barn to jump off my 9 yr old 7610s. Both tractors get used the same amount, and over the winter will set a few months... invariably.. the battery inthe 7610s needs help to start after setting whereas the beefy 4dlt int he 5000 bangs over like it was just charged...

figures...

soundguy

 

[RickB]

how come nh went to such an anemic battery in the xx10S series machines, vs the old trusty 4DLT from the thousand series.


soundguy

If the battery in fact is the original, quit griping and replace it; you are well beyond the design expectation of just about any lead acid wet cell batt. You also don't say whether you have checked for a parasitic draw. We have acouple 7610"s up here and battery capacity has not been a concern, nor has it been in general on the 30+ other 4 and 6 cylinder models this battery is factory fitted to. Granted, some models use two as part of a cold weather starting package, especially on cabbed and 6 cylinder models.

F865DSW is the correct battery for the 7610S; unfortunately I can't put my finger on the CCA rating for that battery, (or the BCI group #) but I'm quite confident it matches that of a NH F150DSW (4DLT) which is 850. One reason the 4DLT style has been passed over is battery technology has passed it by. A decent quality group 31 battery will provide 115% of the CCA's of the 4DLT in a smaller size at about half the cost.

 

[Soundguy]

If the battery in fact is the original, quit griping and replace it; .

That's the 3rd battery in it since 2000.. When I got her new( some months old ) she had the oem battery I believe. When it died I replaced it with a dealer battery and got 3ys on that one. I'm thinking the napa battery is not as hefty as the dealership brand.

I'd have to check the number, but it is whatever napa crossed over to it from the last time it died and i couldn't make it back to the dealership. I normally get my batteries from them or interstate.. but last time I had a battery issue, napa was the closest place. Could be a poor quality napa battery. this one's only 2 ys old. The 4dlt in my 5000 is from 05.. making it a decent 4ys old.

no parasitic drain according to my digital ammeter... And I keep the battery top clean and the terminals corrosion free and greased.. plus the machine lives under some cover..

you are well beyond the design expectation of just about any lead acid wet cell batt. You also don't say whether you have checked for a parasitic draw. We have acouple 7610"s up here and battery capacity has not been a concern, nor has it been in general on the 30+ other 4 and 6 cylinder models this battery is factory fitted to. Granted, some models use two as part of a cold weather starting package, especially on cabbed and 6 cylinder models.

F865DSW is the correct battery for the 7610S; unfortunately I can't put my finger on the CCA rating for that battery, (or the BCI group #) but I'm quite confident it matches that of a NH F150DSW (4DLT) which is 850. One reason the 4DLT style has been passed over is battery technology has passed it by. A decent quality group 31 battery will provide 115% of the CCA's of the 4DLT in a smaller size at about half the cost.

I'll have to jot down the napa battery number that they gave me.

I got her on a slow charge right now to see if it will come back up.

soundguy

 

[RickB]

I'll have to jot down the napa battery number that they gave me.

I got her on a slow charge right now to see if it will come back up.

soundguy

I'll try to remember to research the BCI group number of the F865 today.

Exide supplies batteries to both NAPA and NH here in the Northeast.

 

[tommu56]

Measure the battery tray and get the largest cca battery that fits.

The mfg's put in the most inexpennsive and just enough cca to get it started.

See if you have a low current load on all the time.

tom

 

[Soundguy]

Measure the battery tray and get the largest cca battery that fits.

The mfg's put in the most inexpennsive and just enough cca to get it started.

See if you have a low current load on all the time.

tom

As in my reply to rick.. I already checked for parasitic drains.. nothing on my vom.. or a trusty test lamp inserted in series with the bat cable.

IMHO.. I'm guessing just not a real great battery...

soundguy

 

[Soundguy]

I'll try to remember to research the BCI group number of the F865 today.

Exide supplies batteries to both NAPA and NH here in the Northeast.

I can't say who suppleis napa or our local dealer batteries. Our local napa won't give out that info, and I've never asked the dealer.

If you get that group # let me know, I'll see what interstate battery that crosses to. The GC I work for is a interstate dealer. I'll see if the interstate battery also crosses to the napa battery. Napa might have geiven me the wrong battery?

soundguy

 

[Soundguy]

More info.

I just paged thru my maint log on my 7610s. Near this time last year i was also researching the bat in my 7610s. At the time i was thinking about replacing it, but instead cleaned up the terminals and gave it a good charge and it worked out fine the rest of the year.

I have wrote down that the bat napa crossed for me is a 7527F I'm looking for specs on it right now.

will post back with what I find.

soundguy

 

[Soundguy]

OK.. I think I found more info still.

napa can't cross the f865 for some reason. closest they have is the 7527f.. which appears to be a group 27.. etc

Battery BCI # : 27F
Battery CA @ 32 Degrees F : 890
claims a 75mo pro rate warranty.. might have to look into that if she don't take a charge and hold it.

soundguy

 

[RickB]

OK.. I think I found more info still.

napa can't cross the f865 for some reason. closest they have is the 7527f.. which appears to be a group 27.. etc

Battery BCI # : 27F
Battery CA @ 32 Degrees F : 890
claims a 75mo pro rate warranty.. might have to look into that if she don't take a charge and hold it.

soundguy

CA is a spec only used somewhat deceptively "up here". CCA is figured at 0 deg F and is more the norm at this lattitude. I forgot all about you today, it was a real zoo at work. I can tell you that Interstate has no listing for the 7610S, but the same F865 is used in all the 40 series (7740 and others) and for those tractors Interstate lists a Group 31 at 950 CCA's which would be quite a bit more battery than the NAPA Group 27F, considering that battery's CA rating loosely translated to CCA is probably about 720 or so. IF a group 31 fits the tray and clears the hood, that's the one you want. They have the best crank/buck out there, common as dirt because 95% of the OTR and other HD trucks use them. They come in both post and stud style, the link show studs but the rest of the dimensions are the same. Interstate Batteries - FORD NEW HOLLAND 5640 6640 7740 7840 8240 8340 Wheel Farm Tractor Agriculture Vehicle Light Truck/Van Mega-Tron - 950 CCA

Edit: Group 31 13"L x 6-13/16"W x 9-7/16"H
Group 27F 12-1/2" L x 6-13/16" W x 8-15/16" H.

 

[Soundguy]

Thanks, then that answers my question.. I -AM- trying to use an anemic battery.. or at least one a bit weak for the job.

I think I saw some 31P ( post ) on the rack at work. I'll have to put a tape measure to one and see if I do indeed have the room under the hood.

That 27F is darn tall and I actually use a rubber truck mudflap as a shield between it and the hood as it probably only has 1/4" clearance.

It was a zoo at my place too.. Animals were finding a hole in the fence between pastures.. so when i got of fmy day job I had to repair and put up fencing for 3 hours.. then come home and take care of some more animals. I'm pooped and I think it's time for some advil!

thanks for the info.. boils down to a not-to-good fit of a battery that napa crossed for me.

I just googled the 7527f from the napa site and came up with these specs... shazam.. more like 675 cca!! dang!.. no wonder the 4dlt was whipping it's but.

Battery BCI #: 27F
Battery CA @ 32 Degrees F: 820
Battery CCA @ 0 Degrees F: 675
Battery Height: 9"
Battery Length: 12 3/8"
Battery Posts Type: Top Post
Battery Reserve Capacity: 120
Battery Voltage: 12 volt
Battery Weight: 45 lbs.
Battery Width: 6 3/4"
Wet or Dry: Wet


thanks

soundguy

 

[tommu56]

I can't say who suppleis napa or our local dealer batteries. Our local napa won't give out that info, and I've never asked the dealer.

If you get that group # let me know, I'll see what interstate battery that crosses to. The GC I work for is a interstate dealer. I'll see if the interstate battery also crosses to the napa battery. Napa might have geiven me the wrong battery?

soundguy

One of the guys at work wrorked for east penn / deka and said they did some of NAPA's batterys

tom

 

[Soundguy]

It's looking like it is very regional as to who makes nappa batteries.

soundguy

 

[RickB]

Here's some info on various NH batteries:

F770 Group 31 950CCA
F565 Group 27F 700CCA
F865 Group 30R 800CCA

Your 7610S calls for the F865 battery. Its dmensions are 13" L x 6-15/16" W x 9-5/8" H.

First glance says the group 31 has more CCA's in a slightly smaller package. But if I remember correctly, the F865 has the posts along one side rather than in the center as the F770 does. This WILL affect your hood clearance. We don't have an F865 in stock right now to verify this. The group 31 batt probably won't fit under your hood.

 

[Soundguy]

the 27f I have in there now has the posts along one side. I looked at a interstate grp 31 yesterday and the posts are down the middle. i measured it, and i think the 31 will be a hard fit under the hood as you mention. the 27f is already tight as it is. Boy.. big difference in cca.

I'll know more in a couple weeks. I've pulel dthe bat out to charge.. just havn't got around to it.. got a few other projects onthe bench right now, and i'm working doubles all weekend.

will see how the bat works out.

soundguy

 

[RavensRoost]

Soundguy, I have a 2007 Exide battery catalog on my hard drive, shows 7610 1984-1996 use 4DLT, minimum required CCA is 750.

27F is 12-1/2" L x 6-3/4" W x 8-3/4" H, ~ 700 CCA

4DLT is 19-7/8" L x 6-3/4" W x 8" H, ~ 820 CCA

31 is 9-5/16" high (and terminals down middle), ~ 925 CCA

If the tray is big enough for 4DLT, it is 3/4" shorter than the 27F you have in there now. (As you know, 27F has terminals on the long side of bat and 4DLT has on the end.) If you are out of vertical space with 27F, 31 is even taller as you already saw.


RavensRoost

 

[Soundguy]

the 7610s is a different machine than the 7610.. and no way a 4dlt would come close to fitting up there unfortunately..

soundguy

 

[RavensRoost]

the 7610s is a different machine than the 7610.. and no way a 4dlt would come close to fitting up there unfortunately..

soundguy

Sorry, did not know that and they only listed the 7610 (no suffix).

 

[RavensRoost]

Soundguy, trying to atone for lack of specific tractor knowledge.... ;-)

A Group 49 battery may work for you if the tray can take a battery about 1-1/2" wider than the 27F in there now. Note that the + and - terminals are backwards from the 27F:

49: 14" L x 6-7/8" W x 7-7/16" H ~ 850 CCA

27F: 12-1/2" L x 6-3/4" W x 8-3/4" H, ~ 700 CCA

RavensRoost

 

[RickB]

When I converted my 4000 to diesel, I used a Group 65 which is short enough to clear the hood. 1000CA; 850CCA in New Holland's version part number F800. Most often seen under the hood of Fords with the 7.3L PowerStroke diesel. 12.1"x 7.5" x 7.6" with posts along the side.

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