Another 1758 issue?

[Tea4me]

First off I'd like to say, love the tractor. Sure looks good and really enjoy playing with it.. BUT! Now at 36 hrs and after I done the full service, it still has the previous issues like weak loader lift and steering wheel lockage and now it will roll like it's in nutral when it's in gear. I'm lost here!

No leaks, new filters and new fluids at proper level. There was some small shavings in the tranny screen but thats normal for being new. Shop is super busy so I gotta wait a few weeks to get it in there. Dealer doesn't carry Permatran 2 but gave me NH brand multi g 134 and said that it's the same, it's what they use in the masseys and doesn't cause warranty issues.

What gives? Surely with me loading all tires isnt the cause of it rolling now! And btw, it'll roll on very small hills..

HELP!

 

[TSO]

Can you explain what you mean by rolling? Is this after you park, machine off, brakes on ...?

 

[Tea4me]

Can you explain what you mean by rolling? Is this after you park, machine off, brakes on ...?

Yes sorry. Engine running and warmed up, in either of the lower 2 ranges with the brake off. Sensitivity turned to max, no heavy attachments and a hill just big enough that it would roll if you left in in nutral with no brakes. Btw I have to use brakes to stop even on flat ground.

 

[Snobdds]

Gear or Hydro?

However, it sounds perfectly normal...

 

[Tea4me]

Gear or Hydro?

However, it sounds perfectly normal...

1758 only comes in hydrostat. It's not normal.. hydros aren't supposed to freewheel on little hills or act like it's in nutral.. let alone with a 135 loader not able to lift 1k pounds.

 

[onceacop]

So your Massey can't lift a load like this? I'd say your dealer needs to take action, I'd lean on them hard. I've owned 12 tractors and my 1758 is the best unit I have owned. Good luck.

 

[biodegraded]

It sounds to me like one or more things are seriously wrong with your unit. Here's the sort of thing I lift with my 1754 & DL135: 15' of 20" dia. just cut (fully wet) maple.

 

[TSO]

Can you post some videos showing the problems you're expEriencing?

BTW these tractors are spec'd for Permatran 3, not 2. Not sure if that was a typo in your post or not.

 

[Tea4me]

Can you post some videos showing the problems you're expEriencing?

BTW these tractors are spec'd for Permatran 3, not 2. Not sure if that was a typo in your post or not.

My bad and thanks for catching that about 3. I'll ask my much smarter wife about uploads because I have no clue with that stuff. Lastnight I tinkered around a bit and noticed I was able to lift a few heavier loads but still nowhere near what you guys do. Steering still locked up several times with an empty bucket and the freewheeling seems like it's a tad worse.

Thanks for the replies fellas!

 

[TSO]

Have you checked to make sure that your rear remote (if applicable) isn't engaged, robbing hydraulic flow? Just a shot

 

[Tea4me]

Have you checked to make sure that your rear remote (if applicable) isn't engaged, robbing hydraulic flow? Just a shot

Don't have any... yet. Just came back from our property and really upset now. A week ago we had a small tornado go through our woods and now it's a mess. Sure could use the massy for clean up detail but not much I can do with the way it sits. When it rains, it pours!

 

[Wolfman]

Hate to hear things like this. Hopefully the problem will be an easy fix. I wonder if it could be something simple like a relief valve setting or perhaps a faulty valve. I'm hoping your dealer is responsive and can help take care of you. The 1758 should be a fantastic machine - I have the 2706E which is a similar machine and I am impressed with its lift capability.

 

[MF283]

I'd be asking the dealer for a loaner, they can pick yours up when they drop the loaner off.

Ronnie

 

[mopardude318]

a year later....u ever get this sorted out? I'm trying to decide between a MF1758, a Grand L5460, or the new Yanmar YT359...

 

[onionfmr]

I'm also interested to see if this got sorted out. I have a MF1754 HST that I bought in Sept last year. Mine seems to have more issues than it is worth! Mine is stored inside. Tractor wouldn't go into reverse when new after 5 hours of running, TPH lever wouldn't move one morning (outside temperature was above 60 degrees for several days, nothing frozen), pops out of gear going down hill, kinked fuel line (wouldn't run, stalling not starting), sitting still with tractor in gear and tractor would intermittently start moving (forward or reverse) as if you were pushing hydro pedals. This last condition was very dangerous when backing into barn or working in tight areas. Sitting still at any point it would just start moving. Ended up being a defective pedal switch. I could go on. Not trying to bash dealer or Massey. This is the 2nd Massey tractor I've had with issues. Just saying, I probably won't buy another Massey product. I dug out some small trees by hand the other day as to just not wanting to deal with this tractor. I'm getting too old for this kind of stuff! I've had some health issues lately. Once I feel better, I'm going to get this resolved. The point is, I shouldn't have to deal with these type of problems!

 

[Tea4me]

Still the same issues due to dealer has yet to even see it. Every time I tell him to take a look see, he always replies with a we're swamped and call us in a few weeks. Getting quite pissed off and tempted to seach for the state mf rep. I understand that I didn't buy it from him but he's a dealer.. plus he told me he'd do the work if something arose before I even bought it.

Besides the hydrolic issues, the tractor is great. Very dependable and would serve someone well if they needed something of this caliber but mine just seems like a hydrolic issue and nothing more. After an hr of some hard loader work, oil gets VERY warm and doesn't want to lift or curl much weight (1500+). All the fluids and filters are good and no leaks of any kind so to ME it sounds like a valve problem. Maybe something isn't opening up all the way resulting in restriction thus causing the excess heat.?.

After the house is built along with a nice guarage/man cave, I'm prolly gonna trade up to a cabbed jd 5085e of the like. WAY to big for my needs and might struggle with all the working I do in the woods but it's just a want.

 

[dallen1580]

I feel your pain. I have a new MF 1758. Very disappointed in performance of hydro trans. when operating in mid-range. Can't use loader in Medium range hydro. Hydro slips before you can load engine to dig into pile. Then have to switch hydro to low range. Hydro in Medium range will not even slip tires in 2 wheel drive at the lowest engagement of the hydro in Med. range. Acts the same way when trying to pull any heavy load. The hydro max. speed in med. range is 8 MPH. Sure would think hydro should be strong enough to load engine before slipping. Had back to dealer and they checked hydro relief pressures and checked engine HP. Stated everything is in spec. So I have a 59 HP tractor that you can not do any heavy work with unless you have it in low range at max 3.5 MPH. The MF1736 ( 36 HP with same hydro) would then pull/push as much as the 1758 in mid range hydro. Can't believe MF would design Tractor with such power limitations in mid range hydro. Any other owners of 1758,1758, 1754,1749, 1742 experience issues with MF hydro's?

 

[Tea4me]

I feel your pain. I have a new MF 1758. Very disappointed in performance of hydro trans. when operating in mid-range. Can't use loader in Medium range hydro. Hydro slips before you can load engine to dig into pile. Then have to switch hydro to low range. Hydro in Medium range will not even slip tires in 2 wheel drive at the lowest engagement of the hydro in Med. range. Acts the same way when trying to pull any heavy load. The hydro max. speed in med. range is 8 MPH. Sure would think hydro should be strong enough to load engine before slipping. Had back to dealer and they checked hydro relief pressures and checked engine HP. Stated everything is in spec. So I have a 59 HP tractor that you can not do any heavy work with unless you have it in low range at max 3.5 MPH. The MF1736 ( 36 HP with same hydro) would then pull/push as much as the 1758 in mid range hydro. Can't believe MF would design Tractor with such power limitations in mid range hydro. Any other owners of 1758,1758, 1754,1749, 1742 experience issues with MF hydro's?

I agree! Having to keep it in low is drinking the fuel station dry. Seems like I'm always filling it up but I just have to remind myself that I am using it pretty hard working a EA 84" box blade in clay.

 

[onionfmr]

I feel your pain. I have a new MF 1758. Very disappointed in performance of hydro trans. when operating in mid-range. Can't use loader in Medium range hydro. Hydro slips before you can load engine to dig into pile. Then have to switch hydro to low range. Hydro in Medium range will not even slip tires in 2 wheel drive at the lowest engagement of the hydro in Med. range. Acts the same way when trying to pull any heavy load. The hydro max. speed in med. range is 8 MPH. Sure would think hydro should be strong enough to load engine before slipping. Had back to dealer and they checked hydro relief pressures and checked engine HP. Stated everything is in spec. So I have a 59 HP tractor that you can not do any heavy work with unless you have it in low range at max 3.5 MPH. The MF1736 ( 36 HP with same hydro) would then pull/push as much as the 1758 in mid range hydro. Can't believe MF would design Tractor with such power limitations in mid range hydro. Any other owners of 1758,1758, 1754,1749, 1742 experience issues with MF hydro's?

dallen - I've had other issues with my MF1754 hst, but power has not been one of them. I've pulled a couple 4" to 5" tree stumps lately in medium range w/o issue going slow. Use safety chains and straps so no airborne stumps. Use 4wd because otherwise wheels beak loose. I was moving dirt piles the otherday, 10' high by 40' long by 20' deep. PIles have sat for years, full of grass and weeds and compacted from rain/snow. In 2WD, I was spinning the rear tires easily pushing into the piles. I was doing it in mid-range going slow. Something doesn't sound right with your power issues. However, I had a dealer witness my tractor not being able to back in reverse into my pole barn in mid-range when the engine was at 2400 RPMs. They said that was normal, I wasn't using enough RPMs. It would be laughable, if it wasn't so annoying! I did contact another dealer thru Massey that helped me with that problem. IS THERE A WAY FOR YOU TO GET A SECOND OPINION ON YOUR TRACTOR FROM ANOTHER DEALER? Is there another dealer near you with a MF1758 that will let you test drive it. Couple of dealers that I've worked with in the past had gravel and dirt piles for demo purposes.

 

[stormcom]

change to the chevron synthetic thf. Massey could not fix mine and I changed to the full synthetic and all temps dropped. no more squeeling or slipping gears. I have written a whole string on the synthetic oil and a contact at chevron. It is not cheap. it is 168.00 for a 5 gal pail but it does work. Onionfmr is going to switch his next week I think. Both of us will keep you informed.

2 other things. the remote handle next to the right side of the seat needs to be replaced depending on build date. their is a bulletin from Massey. Also there is problems with the quick connectors on the 135 loader. Massey changed vendors on it too.