Another newbie question: fel and general work versus rpm

   / Another newbie question: fel and general work versus rpm #1  

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Hey I have this probably idiot one. For pto it is pretty obvious where to set the rpm (written in the dash) but what about the rest of work? For example, does the motor rpm have an impact on the loader lifting capacity or it is 2 completely different things?

Is there a "standard" rpm level that you use? Is the rule: the stronger you want it, be it pto, traction or fel, the more rpm you need?

Thanks again for your time
 
   / Another newbie question: fel and general work versus rpm #2  
It depends on the machine. motor RPM will change speed not capacity. I run my DK-40 around 1800 to 2000 RPM.
 
   / Another newbie question: fel and general work versus rpm #3  
Hey I have this probably idiot one. For pto it is pretty obvious where to set the rpm (written in the dash) but what about the rest of work? For example, does the motor rpm have an impact on the loader lifting capacity or it is 2 completely different things?

Is there a "standard" rpm level that you use? Is the rule: the stronger you want it, be it pto, traction or fel, the more rpm you need?

Thanks again for your time

In general, the faster the pump is being turned, the faster/stronger the loader will be. I have a geared trans on mine, so I'm using my foot to vary engine speed constantly during loader work...don't know how the HST guys handle it with the hand throttle/hydro pedal combo, I've never ran one...However I doubt there's any one set 'perfect' engine speed for all tasks. As for PTO work, you want to keep the engine where it makes the power in its rev band, and use the trans to adjust ground speed for the particular implement being used.

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   / Another newbie question: fel and general work versus rpm #5  
Listen to your engine.... If the engine is starting to suddenly drop in rpms and Lugging Down she is overloaded for the task you are trying to do.... Back off immediately.... Safely increase the fuel throttle and drop the transmission into a lower gear often helps.... Each tractor has it's own particular combination of engine rpms and gear that work the best.... highly variable.... Never push a piece of equipment beyond it's capabilities... It is a learning process.... Always set your tractor rpm for the minimum amount of HP to be applied to the whole tractor for the task at hand.... Often times I can set the engine speed to this base line amount with the hand throttle within a lower gear and than boost the engine rpms with the foot pedal throttle some as the work load on the FEL changes etc... needs more energy... Never over load the tractor.... The sound of the engine will give you that immediate feed back...

Enjoy and be Safe....
West1
 
   / Another newbie question: fel and general work versus rpm #6  
Pretty much what they said, no "ideal" engine speed just what it takes to get the job done. I run geared and HST and unless it is mowing in which there is a set 540 mark, i just go by feel and what gets it done, I often don't even look at the tach. You will learning with use what is best for your machine.
 
   / Another newbie question: fel and general work versus rpm
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Thanks for your input. Mine is Kubota L3800 hst. Can I conclude the higher the rpm, the higher the hydraulic pressure and Fel lifting capacity?

Thanks again
 
   / Another newbie question: fel and general work versus rpm #8  
Thanks for your input. Mine is Kubota L3800 hst. Can I conclude the higher the rpm, the higher the hydraulic pressure and Fel lifting capacity?

Thanks again

No the pressure is there but your speed is not
 
   / Another newbie question: fel and general work versus rpm #9  
Thanks for your input. Mine is Kubota L3800 hst. Can I conclude the higher the rpm, the higher the hydraulic pressure and Fel lifting capacity?

Thanks again
Load your bucket and test it. You will see.
 
   / Another newbie question: fel and general work versus rpm #10  
Lets discuss Front End Loader operation Here. Operation with a geared tractor and a HST tractor are somewhat different With a geared machine you typically set a "baseline" with the hand throttle and use the foot throttle for more RPM like when pushing into the pile of material for instance for more power. Of course your gear choice may need to be varied from pushing into the pile to transporting the load, as well as directional changes. The hydraulic pump produces flow, with more RPM comes more flow rate. The pumps don't produce pressure they produce flow. The pressure rises when the flow is restricted, such as when you apply the fluid to a hydraulic cylinder. At low RPM the flow rate is less, so the pressure rises slower, so the hydraulic cylinder responds slower, but with the same theoretical lift power just slower. But there is a little more to it, as the pumps have blow-by, or a certain amount of leakage internally. So at low RPM's the maximum pressure may not be achieved by the restriction of the hydraulic cylinder because the flow rate is low enough that the internal leakage of the pump wont achieve the peak pressure. So if you increase the RPM some the flow rate will overcome the leakage and allow the pressure to spike up and push harder on the cylinder. But in general you can lift almost as much at idle as you can at red line with a new tractor pump. but you are going to lift it a lot slower. This can be very good when you are lifting something dangerous or delicate. With a geared tractor you will want to choose the drive gear that gives you enough torque to push into the pile without bogging down the engine and you will typically want to increase the foot throttle a bit for more power to keep the RPM's up. A hydro tractor does not have a foot throttle, only a hand throttle. You typically set it to a higher setting than a geared tractor, enough to not bog down the tractor when you are pushing and moving with the load, I run my tractor typically around 1800 1900 for most general tasks, but this depends on the tractor, its engine (smaller engines need to be run higher) the way it is loaded etc.. You just have to listen to what it is telling you. When I want the tractor hydraulics to be less responsive I decrease the RPM's, but when I want more response and power for driving and lifting I increase RPM's. Now of course when discussing the HST+ transmission of a Kubota Grand L. now you have several more options and conditions that I won't go into here, but suffice to say, it turns some of what I said on it's head. What I am trying to say and probably doing a poor job of doing it, is that this is a complicated subject, but actual operation is intuitive after a while on the machine!

James K0UA
 

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