Why would the Massey need this when my NH and Kubota will start? I don't mean that sarcastically or anything, I really would like to know the answer. But here is kind of where I'm at after reading this forum and some others etc etc. I think with this 4610 being one of the earlier models of a new model from Massey it just didn't have all the bugs worked out. They kind of rushed these to market and have kind of worked out the kinks along the way. The problem with a customer like me is someone who didn't use their tractor much for the first couple of years and didn't have all the issues worked out before it was out of warranty. But now here i sit with a 2013 tractor with under 300 hours that seems to have little issue after little issue. I have a feeling that maybe if I would have ran the tractor hard for the first couple of years all the problems would have shown up and have been taken care of and I'd of had a pretty good tractor. But now here I am stuck with low hours, no warranty and a tractor that drives me nuts. I will say for as bad as the air conditioning is in this during the summer the heater works great....almost too good. My gosh it will darn near run you out of the cab on the lowest setting lol
Any 4610 owners have problems with their tractors?
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Why would the Massey need this when my NH and Kubota will start? I don't mean that sarcastically or anything, I really would like to know the answer. But here is kind of where I'm at after reading this forum and some others etc etc. I think with this 4610 being one of the earlier models of a new model from Massey it just didn't have all the bugs worked out. They kind of rushed these to market and have kind of worked out the kinks along the way. The problem with a customer like me is someone who didn't use their tractor much for the first couple of years and didn't have all the issues worked out before it was out of warranty. But now here i sit with a 2013 tractor with under 300 hours that seems to have little issue after little issue. I have a feeling that maybe if I would have ran the tractor hard for the first couple of years all the problems would have shown up and have been taken care of and I'd of had a pretty good tractor. But now here I am stuck with low hours, no warranty and a tractor that drives me nuts. I will say for as bad as the air conditioning is in this during the summer the heater works great....almost too good. My gosh it will darn near run you out of the cab on the lowest setting lol
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I think massey fergusons tend to have trouble starting in the cold. Mine has trouble and definitely won't start colder than 15 degrees Fahrenheit. It is extremely hard to get it started below 20 degrees Fahrenheit. I seen and heard others having trouble. Agco knows they got problems starting in the cold. Agco fix??? Well sell you a block heater. Well sell you a fuel heater. My response??? Agco stuff it. I will never spend another dime buying your products. I will buy kubota, John Deere, case-ih or something. Anything but agco. To know they go problems, no solutions, string you along until your warranty runs out and then abandon you. How much money do those money grubbers really think I'm going to spend with then when I need a new tractor???
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It is unreasonable to lump all Massey tractors together from the perspective of cold starting (or for that matter any other engine characteristic.) At least 4 different engine brands are used in reasonably current MF/AGCO models. The engine brand has far more (legitimately) to do with starting and operation than which company assembled that engine into some tractor. My MF 2660 (assembled unfortunately in Brazil) uses a Perkins engine which I will put up against any diesel tractor engine ever made for reliability, ease of starting regardless of temperature and consistent operation. Your 1531 was Japanese and uses a Japanese Iseki engine. I have no experience with the newer Iseki engines. I do have some experience with the Yanmars (which are very good) and others. The GC series of smaller MF tractors also use the Iseki.
PhillipW, your 1531 (using an Iseki engine) doesn't have a heck of a lot in common with Capt Howdy's much larger 4610 (using an AGCO AWIC engine) beyond the color of the paint.
PhillipW, your 1531 (using an Iseki engine) doesn't have a heck of a lot in common with Capt Howdy's much larger 4610 (using an AGCO AWIC engine) beyond the color of the paint.
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I think a lot of people are having fuel issues in the cold weather with tier 4 machines. Something to do with the Fuel Delivery Systems, and the injector lines and nozzles being much tighter 4 improved pressure and efficiency.
Both of my tier 3 Iseki powered Massey machines cough and sputter more on Startup than the Mitsubishi powered machines I have or have had. But, they still start as long as the fuel is not frozen or gelled, and once started they run perfectly fine in any temperature I've had them in. Up until this year, I did not have heat in my barn and my biggest worry was that the diesel I had been using, would freeze up and gel in the injector lines and filter. But even on the coldest days, as long as my fuel could flow, the tractor would start. Now the barn is heated and I keep it around 38° when I'm not out there working. Thankfully, I never have to worry about my fuel freezing over again.
It's a stretch, and inaccurate, to claim that Massey's are not good performers in cold weather. I will agree that, some engines, by Nature, seem to start easier in cold weather. Again, the Mitsubishi engines I have had in different machines all started easier with less coughing in the winter. But you should see how rough my shibaura powered commercial mower starts in this weather. It's not pretty, but again, once it gets going, it runs perfectly fine in the cold. My Kioti also started as rough or rougher than my Massey in the winter.
Note, all of my machines are tier 3, so none of the new emissions considerations to worry about.
Both of my tier 3 Iseki powered Massey machines cough and sputter more on Startup than the Mitsubishi powered machines I have or have had. But, they still start as long as the fuel is not frozen or gelled, and once started they run perfectly fine in any temperature I've had them in. Up until this year, I did not have heat in my barn and my biggest worry was that the diesel I had been using, would freeze up and gel in the injector lines and filter. But even on the coldest days, as long as my fuel could flow, the tractor would start. Now the barn is heated and I keep it around 38° when I'm not out there working. Thankfully, I never have to worry about my fuel freezing over again.
It's a stretch, and inaccurate, to claim that Massey's are not good performers in cold weather. I will agree that, some engines, by Nature, seem to start easier in cold weather. Again, the Mitsubishi engines I have had in different machines all started easier with less coughing in the winter. But you should see how rough my shibaura powered commercial mower starts in this weather. It's not pretty, but again, once it gets going, it runs perfectly fine in the cold. My Kioti also started as rough or rougher than my Massey in the winter.
Note, all of my machines are tier 3, so none of the new emissions considerations to worry about.
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I'm going to catch for this, but the truth is the truth. I had to to get parts for my massey last summer. Now jwr says my 1531 is irrevelant. At that time a agco salesman pulled his b.s. snow job (and believe me the snow job was a,blizzard) and basically was "trying to steal my 1531" and put me in a 1700 series tractor. Now it is no secret how agco operates. They don't have any original product lines. The partnership up with and buy into other companies. Then they treat the help terrible and run a good product line in the ground. They are now mixed up with hesston which made good haying equipment. As agco continues the train wreck of hesston, the original hesston employees are loosing benifits, being phased out and treated like crap. I seen one of the hesston/agco balers and wouldn't give 2 dollars for it. I figure before it is over, they'll use hesston name just like they are using massey ferguson name, move production to who knows, china, Japan or where ever and run hesston in the groud. That is the agco way.
Now back to this salesman trying to give me peanuts for my 1531 and sell me a 1700 series. I won't own another massey ferguson tractor if you gave it to me. I don't know how this salesman could figure I'd go for such a deal. One massey night mare is enough. Your having trouble, I'm having trouble, there was a guy in Australia having trouble, somebody is always having trouble. I'm in the heart of the farm belt and you can't give a massey away. Dealer is out of state. Now, if I had let that salesman sucker me into a 1700 series I'd have emission problem like everyone else. Now agco once again knows they got a problem and have no idea or clue what to do to solve the issues. They'll probably string everyone along til the warranty is up and then abandon them, sorry I've watched agco and their business practices and it stinks. I pick a different brand if I were in your shoes. Just my opinion
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It seems like whenever someone hates a brand, they hate that brand unconditionally. And you will hear stories on this forum from owners of practically every brand. It is unfortunate when anyone has a problem with a machine in the way that you did. But the reality is that humans design and build these machines, and there are bound to be occasional instances where failures exist. Generally, these issues are exacerbated with poor dealership experience.
I've owned tractors or other industrial equipment from Kioti, LS, Massey, Ford, Hustler, Terex, Plus all the many pieces of attachments that go with them. I could have easily hated Ford because of the problems I had at one Tractor Dealership not fixing the equipment properly and overcharging me for what work they didn't do well.
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Well , let me give you yet another example of agco' s train wreck which I am pretty close to. Agco likes to "hide" behind the brand name of another company. I'm very close to this situation because the owners were best men at my wedding. In the late 1990's three brothers worked together to develop a seed treater. Of these three brothers one had the gift of selling things and diplomacy and he became one of the owners. Another brother had good business brother and he became an owner. The third brother while being "a little different" was a very smart man that could figure out how to get almost anything to work. So the formed a company and called it universal seed care (usc). Thst started in an old barn and as they obtained patents sales took off. The started building facilities for manufacturing and had numerous expansions. They hired people and more people. They treated their help very. They offered health care, a very generous vacation plan based on hours worked, attendance bonus, safety bonus, and production bonus. They offered breakfast sandwiches at first break and lunch. They never had a layoff. They treated help extremely well and the really appreciated their help. They used to throw a family friendly company picnic. They would throw a family friendly Christmas party. They would hire an entertainer say a clown-magician. Everyone went home with present of some sort. They would give away a free turkey or ham at christmas.
Their products were sold all over the us, canada, and Mexico. They stood behind there product.
The brothers sold part interest to gsi. Now gsi is owned by agco. But agco wants to hide behind God. Once again, agco didn't develop anything, they never do. They just buy out companies. Apparently they promised the brothers they could get the product marketed in global markets and what not. (Another agco snow job that was a blizzard)
Here is the reality. Sales have plummeted, that brought in big shot mangers to balance the books on the backs of the worker while the big shot skim the cream off the top and go play golf. Bonus gone, most perks gone, treat their employees like a number and warm body. They 've had mandatory lay offs. Cut the employees on the pay role. Most old timer original help is gone. Another sad train wreck brought to you courtesy of agco, but they don't want to own their train wreck, it is hai. Their business practices stink
Their products were sold all over the us, canada, and Mexico. They stood behind there product.
The brothers sold part interest to gsi. Now gsi is owned by agco. But agco wants to hide behind God. Once again, agco didn't develop anything, they never do. They just buy out companies. Apparently they promised the brothers they could get the product marketed in global markets and what not. (Another agco snow job that was a blizzard)
Here is the reality. Sales have plummeted, that brought in big shot mangers to balance the books on the backs of the worker while the big shot skim the cream off the top and go play golf. Bonus gone, most perks gone, treat their employees like a number and warm body. They 've had mandatory lay offs. Cut the employees on the pay role. Most old timer original help is gone. Another sad train wreck brought to you courtesy of agco, but they don't want to own their train wreck, it is hai. Their business practices stink
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Ps. I dont how those typos got in their. The agco company that is involved is gsi.
