Any news on gas engine CUTS?

[DarkBlack]

Lol. Lol. Darkblack . . . you really neef to get coordinated with the other gas engine believers because you're telling conflicting stories. One guy tells us a gas engine 35 hp would be the same displacement as my Iseki. But then when I say that a 35 hp gas engine with equivalent cooling capacity would be more expensive to produce . .. then that conversation goes quiet. Now you're telling us another story.

Go out and invent the gas engine for a scut . . because nobody has seen one . . Until then you've got nothing but guesses and weak assumptions.

Why do you keep trying to put down people like me, about points that aren't being debated with you?

 

[MossRoad]

Any news on gas engine CUTS?

Nope!

 

[hutchman]

"We don't have GDI SCUT/CUT engines yet because they would require Alien technology and we haven't received them yet from the gods"

 

[hutchman]

All you GDI tractor dreamers, start a thread to gather interest in your vision and start a petition with thousands of interested folks and then approach a vendor with your idea or pool your resources and start your own company making GDI tractor engines.

I'm not interested in buying one but that's OK, I'm sure there are others that will. Steal a 4cyl GDI out of a KIA and put a rev limiter on it and make a prototype to test with ... hey it's still America (for a little while longer) so if you have a better mouse trap ... get cracking!

 

[AxleHub]

Why do you keep trying to put down people like me, about points that aren't being debated with you?

Well DarkBlack, exactly what are you debating? Debate is a process of focus points tied together with a string of logic and facts in a related pattern.

You can't "debate" something that has no basis in logical connection. If you want to debate which engine maker is the best between Iseki,kubota,yanmar, etc. Then you go ahead because each of those is a diesel engine builder. Same is true for honda, Hyundai, yamaha, bombardier, and Kawasaki because they are all gas builders. But you can't compare and debate an existing engine against one that does not exist and has not existed . . it isn't even theoretical conditions.

The closest example that even remotely could be debated is the one I provided of the kubota GR2020 and GR2120 because they operate by modern methods on the same frame and for the same purposes.

What you think you are doing and what you actually are doing are two greatly different things. You can't compare Ted Williams and Fran Tarkenton . . but you think gas (other applications) and diesel (tractor) are comparable or debatable.

 

[SPYDERLK]

That's torque, not HP. 25 is 25 is 25 period.

The term we need is tractability. ... Analogous to area under the horsepower curve. Thats where diesels shine ... other than being able to work at their peak longer than a gas engine.

 

[SPYDERLK]

Only on paper...in theory... as I'm sure you know....

A 25hp diesel will have more real-life, usable power than a 25hp gasser due to a diesel making its power at a lower rpm and making much more torque. Different engines will make their power in different rpm ranges depending on the application it is built for.

So in pracrice, 25hp is not 25hp is 25hp.

Yep.

Nope.

Nope.

 

[buickanddeere]

Now I want to go to the next lack of logic.

Posters are talking back and forth about gas engines could compete with diesel engines for use in scut and cut tractors.

Yet throughout this long winding thread . . . the use of auto, truck, small engine, atv, and now fork lifts have been used as interchangable examples. They are not interchangable nor are they comparable.

The fact is . . no production gas tractor engines have or are currently produced or being produced in the last 15 years for use in scut or cut tractors by any major or proven tractor company in the world . None . . Zip . . Zero.

The only logic that exists is . . all these many engine builder companies either can not produce a gas product to compete because of cost or because of capability to be comparable to diesel . . . or they don't have the intellectual capacity to defeat the hurdles that the gas engine posters seem to think they posses themselves.

So this thread battles on without logical reason and massive artificailly created proof and "lack of facts" and mis direction efforts.

So the obvious question is then . . . why isn't one or all of these gas engine proponents developing what no one else has if it is so easy and obvious to them?

The answer is . . they just like to argue when facts evade them and their skills to invent a competing product are lacking.

You missed the whole point entirely.

 

[buickanddeere]

No, it doesn't make the same peak power, as the gas engine, when compared $ for $ or lb for lb. That's a common diesel reasoning fallacy. Your comparing a much heavier, much more expensive diesel to a lighter, cheaper gas engine. Not fair. If you compare engines of the same price or weight, you would find they are quite comparable. The main drawback to a gas engine is it throws more wasted heat energy than the diesel, and the fuel is flammable/unstable.
You can get a V8 gas engine of the same price or weight as a 3, or 4 cylinder diesel. The equal $, or weight V8 can be geared to run 'just above idle' and would make the same power as the smaller diesel. At that low RPM the gas engine could last 'forever'. The big drawback...again..is the big gas engine would use more fuel.

We should make the point that per btu of fuel. A gas DI is very nearly efficient as a diesel at full power. A part load the DI gasser has fuel efficiency greater than the Tier IV diesel. No particulate filter to load up either when putting around. When purchasing fuel is btu's per dollar that count, not gallons per hour.

 

[buickanddeere]

Any news on gas engine CUTS?

Nope!

Wait for the Tier V emissions.