Any Pilots On Here??

[MossRoad]

Here's an article that addresses the paint and balance issue a bit.

It also gives an interesting statistic on the V-tail vs Straight tail accident rate...

Most were pilot error, and the straight tailed pilots had a higher percentage of accidents than the v-tailed pilots, by about 8-9%.

It's an interesting read, for sure.

"As has been the case with all the other aircraft we have reviewed thus far, Bonanza pilots have been their own worst enemies. The V-tail pilots were responsible for about 73 percent (248 accidents) of accidents, and the straight-tail pilots weighed in at a whopping 83 percent (154 accidents). Aircraft-related causal factors contributed about 15 and 11 percent, respectively. Compared to other aircraft in this study, Bonanzas have a lower overall accident rate and that speaks well of this high-performance single."

https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all-news/1994/february/pilot/bonanza-safety-review

 

[ray66v]

Here's an article that addresses the paint and balance issue a bit.

It also gives an interesting statistic on the V-tail vs Straight tail accident rate...

Most were pilot error, and the straight tailed pilots had a higher percentage of accidents than the v-tailed pilots, by about 8-9%.

It's an interesting read, for sure.

"As has been the case with all the other aircraft we have reviewed thus far, Bonanza pilots have been their own worst enemies. The V-tail pilots were responsible for about 73 percent (248 accidents) of accidents, and the straight-tail pilots weighed in at a whopping 83 percent (154 accidents). Aircraft-related causal factors contributed about 15 and 11 percent, respectively. Compared to other aircraft in this study, Bonanzas have a lower overall accident rate and that speaks well of this high-performance single."

https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media/all-news/1994/february/pilot/bonanza-safety-review

Those were an extreme example. Control flutter, and yawing on V-tail Bonanza's was common since the beginning. There is a reason why you don't see V-tailed aircraft built today.

The need for repaint, was due to the fact that the magnesium corroded badly.

The removal of the corroded material, would mean removal of some of the weight. That, and the use of fillers, to fill those pitted areas, could cause an in balance.

A thin layer of paint applied over the entire surface, is not where the problem lies.

 

[MossRoad]

Those were an extreme example. Control flutter, and yawing on V-tail Bonanza's was common since the beginning. There is a reason why you don't see V-tailed aircraft built today.

The need for repaint, was due to the fact that the magnesium corroded badly.

The removal of the corroded material, would mean removal of some of the weight. That, and the use of fillers, to fill those pitted areas, could cause an in balance.

A thin layer of paint applied over the entire surface, is not where the problem lies.

 

[ray66v]

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Okay, I'll stand corrected.

So, how many have you actually seen?

My point was, it didn't catch on for good reason.

Yes, in a fly by wire, high end aircraft, they can have a computer stabilize anything. We have a bomber, that has no tail at all.

 

[MossRoad]

Okay, I'll stand corrected.

So, how many have you actually seen?

zippo! :laughing:

 

[plowhog]

My Beech Baron B55 had an aluminum rudder. If a ladder tipped over in a hangar and dented it, there was the expected cost for an airframe repair ($$$.)

The elevator, for weight and balance reasons, was made from magnesium. If a ladder tipped over and dented that, wowwwweeeee!!! ($$$$$$)

 

[fried1765]

When you say "if needed" to go on up higher...why would I need to? What about flying that high (not that I want to at all....just curious) be less comfortable for pax?

Everything I read confirms the 182 with the 88 galling tanks is a good transition. And you are right...the turbo newer models are very expensive. I am not seeing a lot of difference in price between a used SR22 and a used 182. I just learned about flight radar today. Blows me away you can see that stuff. Lots of SR22s and C172s up there with the 1000s of jets.

Anyway, I am just super anxious to get up....but the darn weather....a buddy and I might go up today....but I am ready to start training.

What about those 2 or 3 week schools? Are they legit? Waiting on a CFI who has a full time job, wife and kids and other students will most likely be a contributing factor to this taking a long....what if after a little while I make the leap to a 2 weeks school?

Though I like the very pricey A-36 Bonanza (I soloed in it's cousin, a USN T-34), and once nearly bought a Debonair, in my opinion, probably the nicest and most affordable complex single engine A/C out there is a Rockwell Commander.
I have never owned one, but have a friend who does, and it is a sweet little machine.
None of the above would be suitable for a novice pilot though.

 

[TimberHole]

My point was, it didn't catch on for good reason.

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Ha, ha, ha.........they made the 35 series V tail Bonanza from 1947 to 1982! How many years of production would it have taken to have "caught on"?

People that say negative things about V tail Bonanzas are people that have not flown and maintained them!

The issue with control surface balance is related to paint and has nothing to do with corrosion.

 

[Old Red]

So I went up today fellers......Piper 180. Sure hope I get used to the slippery feeling....shew...I forgot I am a little fearful of heights......and my pilot said that lil c150 will be all over the place big time...... I cannot imagine me ever operating the controls...just can't imagine.....maybe tomorrow for my first lesson my nerves will settle? Who knows......but a bit nervous... I had a death grip on the bottom of that seat lol.....I was looking for a big bar or something to hold on to...haha. Well....we shall see....not sure I am cut out for it....

 

[TimberHole]

You'll be fine. Give it a few hours and you'll relax. Next time your up trim the airplane for level flight and let go of the controls. You'll find a trimmed airplane wants to fly and really takes very little interaction from the pilot. I think sometimes new people don't realize this and feel like it takes some super skill by the pilot to keep the airplane flying. That isn't the case.