Anybody have advice on swimming pools for home...

   / Anybody have advice on swimming pools for home... #21  
I had a very smart fellow tell me years ago that a swimming pool was a great thing for a neighbor to own.

Having said that, we've had the same above ground 28' footer for about 20 years. During that time we've replaced the liner three times, pump motor once, then the pump and motor once, plus the yearly costs of chemicals and accessories.

I installed it myself on reasonably flat ground with a transit, rototiller, tractor scraper blade and a lot of hoe and rake work.

We first got it when the kids were younger and it seemed they always wanted to go swimming and the county pool is about 10 miles away, always crowded and I thought the admission was too high. Originally, they were in the thing everyday, but as the new wore off, they didn't swim nearly as much, but we kept it. Then SWMBO liked to sit in a floating chair and read several times a week, but eventually even that got to be less and less. Now the grandkids are at the point where they love to visit and go swimming. (That's the best pool usage for me, I get to see them a lot more than I do during the winter months)

I'd considering tearing the thing down several times over the years, but it seems that every time I think that, then one group of another will all of a sudden decide they want to swim more, so it stays up.

The only problem I really have is during the periods when nobody wants to swim much, but the pool has to be maintained the same all the time. The labor involved with opening and closing the pool can take some time and it always seems like they need to be opened or closed right when you have something else going on that is also important.

The yearly chemical costs are almost identical if the pool is being used every day or if it's not used for a month. Once the pool is opened and stabilized, I spent maybe an hour a week maintaining it.

I use the PhosFree line of chemicals to open, close and maintain it, once I get that going, I don't use near as much chlorine as I did before I found out about that company.

A winter cover is a necessity, makes it much easier and less time consuming to get the pool opened in the spring and an automatic cleaner is almost mandatory in my case. Even when a lot of people are using the pool, nobody wants to vacuum the darned thing.

I've also found that buying the accessories online is much cheaper than getting them from brick and mortar stores, plus I don't have to buy gasoline and spend time driving around to find what I need.

A deck, either full or partial, makes the pool much more handier (for those that like to swim in it and for the poor fool who is maintaining it), but I've got a small fortune invested in just the treated lumber around mine, then this year I spend another small fortune coating the deck with a deck restore product because the grandkids complained about the splintering.

But in my case, I'm stuck with the darned thing because it was me that suggested to the wife that we should get a pool and the only thing I do other than maintain it is to jump in and cool off after a hot and sweaty lawn mowing!
 
   / Anybody have advice on swimming pools for home... #22  
I like my neighbors pool...

Grew up with in ground pools, would never have one of my own.

What I really miss are the outdoor community pools that have dissapeared in the last twenty years.
 
   / Anybody have advice on swimming pools for home...
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#23  
As a reply to Gunny, your comments are very much inline with what several folks here at work have said...that is, use will typically rise and wane depending on the moods of the users and what else is going on.

Also, the folks here that have pools seem to really like them and they indicate that their maintenance is really not that bad and they feel like they have made a good investment. Some of them have small kids and some of them are just older couples with no kids - they just like floating in their pools.

It kinda cracks me up how much the discussion of a pool is similar to buying a bulldozer or a backhoe - lots of people want to use one, but most don't want to own one (and the maintenance that goes along with it). I guess I'm already dumb, since I already have a backhoe and bulldozer, so I may as well throw a swimming pool on top it!

I expect this to be a substaintial investment - it will require a retaining wall and a large deck, although the deck may be built in sections so as to minimize immediate investment, as well as a fence both for insurance requirements and a fail safe to keep the cattle out should they breach the fence that surrounds the yard.

I can't say this enough - I really appreciate all of the comments on the subject, as well as opinions for and against, because they all help to shed light on the subject one way or another. I've got lots of time and lots of thinking to do between now and when I break ground....
 
   / Anybody have advice on swimming pools for home... #24  
Check with your insurance agent. Two of may neighbors have inground pools and they don't remove the covers any more.

NUH-1E
 
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Check with your insurance agent. Two of may neighbors have inground pools and they don't remove the covers any more.

NUH-1E

My wife works for our insurance agency. We are required to install a 48" high fence (there are a few other requirements for it - it has to have spaces between slats or gaps small enough a child can't squeeze throught) and we are required to install signage on the fence. As long as those requirements are met, we are good to go.

Thanks for the advice, though.

Good luck and take care.
 
   / Anybody have advice on swimming pools for home... #27  
We bought a sand filter and pump to convert ours to saltwater two years ago and I dont clean or shock ours half as much as I did before when it was chlorine. We like it better because it is softer and it doesnt bother your eyes like chlorine. If I remeber correctly its only like .5% saltwater so you cant smell or taste it at all.I think I added one 50lb bag of salt this year to bring ours up to the level it needed.
 
   / Anybody have advice on swimming pools for home... #28  
We were General Contractors on probably 25 in ground swimming pools in the Carolina's. My take is 1) there is no such thing as an above ground pool. They pull down the value of your home PERIOD. 2) You get what you pay for. 3) Never do a vinyl liner, cheap and full of problems. 4) The only pool worth building is concrete with plaster. Expensive and high maintenance , but with the proper hardscape and landscaping you MAY get 25 percent of your money back. The bottom line is do a nice pool and enjoy it. IF you do an above ground pool, remove it before you sell the house. AND, yes, the pool salesman will lie to you. Not so much on purpose, but because he knows what is involved in the construction of your pool, He is not going to scare you away. My professional 2 cents...
 
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#29  
Property/resale value is of no concern. We are on property that we own free and clear, with a house that we own free and clear. We have no desire to relocate - we are at the point now that all bills can be paid by working at McDonald's, if it came to that.

I talked to another pool company yesterday, and once again came away with a bad impression. If there is a profession that may be lower than used car salesman, it may well be pool salesman. We are planning on visiting their showroom, though, so that we can get a general idea of the materials that go into the construction of the pool as well as their opinion on some the othe accessories (like the pump, filter, cleaning equipment, etc.). I can tell alot about stuff online, but it's always nice to see it in real life.

I haven't found anyone that has a pool that isn't made of galvanized steel (talking about the components). I see aluminum and resin as available options online, but all of the retailers in this area only sell steel pools. Talking with one fella that has had a pool for 25 years (he first bought a used one and had it for about 15 and is into about 10 years on his current one), both of them have been galvanized steel. The first pool failed because he left a concrete block setting next to the pool wall and he had a small leak and the water got trapped between the block and the exterior wall and the wall rusted. Then his liner had a hernia and he decided it was time to replace the pool anyway....

Thanks again for the advice.
 
   / Anybody have advice on swimming pools for home... #30  
www.koiphen.com forum/site primary deals with koi/goldfish ponds, think TBN but for liner ponds. with a good portion dealing with DIY install of ponds. from digging, walls (bare dirt, concrete, concrete block, wood, to other), to various types of liners, how to install various drains, and returns, including filters for the ponds.

if folks have a big enough pond, they end up swimming with the fish. majorty of the ponds found on the site from other members, are in idea "self cleaning ponds" with very little maintenance.

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edit your profile to include your approx location like south/north/centeral in a given us state. or given country. and you might get lucky of someone knowing this or that.

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i always see more comments of folks after a year or 2 not using a pool. and it just ends up setting there for next few years or more after that. a cheap blow up, or pool that just sets on surface of the ground with maybe a little bit of sand. is about all i would suggest. larger pools. i would most likely encourage installation of a drain or rather a "bottom drain/s" see koiphen for more info. and some returns setup correctly with some better external filtration even for a pool. to make maintaining the pool that much more easier and enjoyable. you might find some better filters on koiphen or from some of the dealers on koiphen that work better on a pool than what you might find otherwise. a "sieve" and S&G "sand and gravel" fines filter. can be nice setup.

with above stated, i become a snob, when i look at typical pool filtration and pump setups and there inlet/outlet on them. and then look at pond setups found on koiphen, completely different world. and easier maintenance more likely all the way around. with a lot of the DIY folks there, more folks tend to learn the ins/outs of filters and everything. and tend to be more on the ball to notice something before something goes completely ugly wrong.
 

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