Anybody raise cattle for profit?

   / Anybody raise cattle for profit? #11  
I didn't want to be the one to say so, but you have nailed it.

Steve

X's 2. One lost animal, hard summer/winter feed bill, or even an expensive vet bill, could put you in the "Red". With a herd of 2-4, wouldnt take much to loose "half" your investment, unlikely, but possible. Raising 1-2 for your freezer, will save you some money (money earned). * acre's is almost "feedlot " size, but that is just my opinion. I raised beef cattle on 386 acres and made money, but some years where "break even" after all things considered.
 
   / Anybody raise cattle for profit?
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#12  
I didn't want to be the one to say so, but you have nailed it.

Steve

That's fine fellas. .. I didn't know which is why I asked. There's a guy on about 15 acres near me (his 15 is all open and sectioned off with different pastures, while my 15 is split up and over 1/3 woods) and he regularly keeps what looks like 30-50 head. They're usually all black so I assume they're not dairy. I don't know anything else about his operation other than what I've seen while driving by. But it looks like he brings in most of the food (mixed). It also looks like he keeps them to finish.

I don't know how much he makes from his operation, or if he does something else entirely, but it seems to be going well for him.
 
   / Anybody raise cattle for profit? #13  
I raise cattle for profit or try too. It is difficult. I am currently running 10 cows plus bull on about 30 acres of pasture then have another 25 acres of neighbors lands that are strictly hay. Stocking capacity depends on weather. Last year was a record drought for us I had all the cattle that I needed this year has been cool and wet may have enough grass to get to Christmas. But I am wanting to increase to about 14 or 15 cows that is what I feel I can handle in a normal year. My 30 acres are divided up into 7 pastures. Perimeter fence is 2 strands of electric barb wire with T post every 30-35 feet. Interior fences are same or single strand of electric barb wire. Set your fences high have seen guys use same fence for hogs and cattle. And the cattle step over fence when the grass gets short. Must also think of water the cleaner the water the better they grow.

I am running black baldy cows and a registered Limosine bull. As we have some specialty markets for this mix in state. Have not sold to them yet as I have not had the quality of calves that I want to send to them but am hopeful next year I will.

For your 8 acres I would recommend about 5 cows and buy the hay this can be done for about the price of one calf. Then I would recommend either learn how to AI (Artificial Insemination) or find some one who can do it for you. Talk to extension agent they should know. Bulls on this small a herd get expensive if of quality. Get some type of handling facility built nothing worst than a cow that needs help calving or is sick and not having a way to get her in head gate. Under roof is best and a sick pen or two is helpful. Here is the website I use to determine market conditions. Cattle Market Prices

If you want to raise calves during summer months only you can we always purchased them at 4 or 5 weights (400-500lbs). I would recommend no more than 15 starting out around here that will cost about 12-15grand depending on quality but you need to know what you are looking for or else you can pay number 1&2 prices for number 3 calves. Still need that handling facility. They will get sick and will have to be treated for shipping fever at least (have lost calves to this). Selling of bees at the end of summer ours always added about 2-2.5lbs per day avg. daily gain.

Feeding: if you can find a bakery and get ahold of the out of date bread feed it t the cattle as they love it and will grow good on it and is cheaper than grain. Other than that look at ddg's (dry distillers grains) and soybean hulls. Watch ddg's as they can be toxic if not mixed with enough soy hulls.

Didn't realize cattle were so hard to raise did you? You can do it but do your research and go talk to some guys ask to see their handling facilities and then pick their brains most are proud of them and love to show them off and will tell you what they would change about theirs.

Private message me if you need to been in cattle about 15 years now.

Good luck.
 
   / Anybody raise cattle for profit? #14  
The ag. economics departments at many land-grant universities publish prototype livestock budgets. Unfortunately, the OP is in Michigan and I couldn't locate any recent budgets from Michigan State, but here's a link to the livestock budgets from Iowa State: http://www.extension.iastate.edu/agdm/livestock/pdf/b1-21.pdf.

You can modify the budgets to reflect your assumptions about prices, feeding program, etc. These budgets would serve as a helpful aid in penciling out the prospective returns from a livestock venture.

Steve
 
   / Anybody raise cattle for profit? #15  
I haven't seen it mentioned, but it seems to be something that comes up for every small farmer/rancher who owns a few head of livestock. Your time is no long yours. Your daily schedule will revolve around those cattle and their care. Want to take a trip or go on vacation? You'll have to consider finding someone to care for your cattle while you are gone. Once you have animals to take care of, your free time is history.:(

EDIT: Earlier, you mentioned selling beef to restaurants. That's a pipe dream in my opinion. Popular restaurants use a huge amount of beef, but it is not "whole-cow." They will specialize in rib-eyes, t-bones, or tenderloin strips. Their beef is also specially aged and meets critical standards. I would suggest that if you intend to become a wholesale beef supplier, you'll have waves of bureaucratic hoops to jump through including strict health requirements that will make a mom-n-pop beef supply company impossible.
 
   / Anybody raise cattle for profit?
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#16  
Okay so the general consensus I'm getting is that I shouldn't waste time or effort putting cows on my spare 8 acres...

What would you guys do with it? (in terms of trying to make it pay for itself in one way or another)
 
   / Anybody raise cattle for profit? #17  
Look at an orchard doesn't have to be fruit nuts may work not sure in your area. Talk to your extension agent. Would raising your own food constitute paying for it self if so a hog a calf a lamb and a garden area. Small acreage is hard to "get it to pay for it self" mainly a hobby.
 
   / Anybody raise cattle for profit? #18  
Okay so the general consensus I'm getting is that I shouldn't waste time or effort putting cows on my spare 8 acres...

What would you guys do with it? (in terms of trying to make it pay for itself in one way or another)

Raise sweet corn, blueberries, a small apple/peach orchard. (Could all be "pick your own").
 
   / Anybody raise cattle for profit? #19  
Maybe look into Gensing for your wooded area. Google has allot of results for it and you seem to be in a good area. Just another "option"
 
   / Anybody raise cattle for profit? #20  
I raised purebred Simmental beef cows for 30 years. It was a small operation 5-13 total animals. In SE Pa you need more than an acre for each cow calf unit. With your 4 acres you can have a hobby farm to raise your own beef but you will not make any money trying to raise and sell beef Would need to decide if it is a cow calf operation or just finishing steers.

I have made more money raising and selling produce than I did doing beef, but it was fun. When they got faster than I was I switched to vegetables
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