Posthole Digger Anybody use a post hole digger for planting??

   / Anybody use a post hole digger for planting?? #11  
I use mine (three hole method) to dig past the clay layer we have here and into the draining sand layer. Of course these holes are usually about twice the depth that's necessary for the root ball but I take that opportunity to amend the soil I put back into the hole (compost & peat moss) and place the root ball on top of that. I don't have to worry about root rot or the possibility that the tree/bush will get root bound by the hard to get through clay.
 
   / Anybody use a post hole digger for planting?? #12  
Planted 200 bare-root pine seedlings last year with my PHD. They are doing fantastic - 18" this year. Like the other guy said, rough up the sides of the hole so there's no 'glaze' or it's no different than putting a big pot in the ground. Also, I dig a bit and put the topsoil to one side - then go down the full depth. The subsoil has nowhere near the nutrients of the top soil. Put the topsoil back in around the roots of the plant.

I would rather have a backhoe too - but you use what you have and truth is these implements spend most of the time sitting in the barn and a PHD is a lot less expensive to have sit than a backhoe.

Oh yes - and make sure you know where your utility lines and septic are before you start going with your post hole digger ...
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   / Anybody use a post hole digger for planting??
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Excellent points Kubotasaurus...all of them..

Funny name too...my sisters dog is named Spencer. We call him Spencersaurus. The kids think we are crazy...

Anthony
 
   / Anybody use a post hole digger for planting?? #14  
kubotasaurus:

Glad to here about your experience in using a post hole digger for planting bare root pine seedlings.

I just bought a L-3130 and post hole digger (and other implements) that I intend to use to plant bare root Christmas tree transplants next spring (300-400 trees). This spring I decided to get into the Christmas tree growing business and utilize the 4 acre (former corn field) in my back yard. The Christmas tree "business" financially justified the purchase of the tractor. In order to keep costs down, I bought just 1 auger (12") that I can use for planting and also for other tasks (concrete tube footings etc.)

What size auger did you use for planting your seedlings?

This spring I planted 250 bare root transplants using a tiller to till rows to loosten the soil, and then a hand post hole digger to make the holes. I look forward to the use of the power post hole digger for my planting next spring.

Gary
 
   / Anybody use a post hole digger for planting?? #15  
I used a 9 inch auger. I only have a BX2200 - and it won't turn much more than that (at least not in heavy soil).

To go back a few steps ... I planted my trees as a windbreak / screen around my property rather than for a business, but did do quite a bit of research before I started. The best resources I found (don't have the URLs handy) were those written by various ag extensions in the mid-west. The recommended process was:

1. Use a ripper to break up the soil the fall before spring planting. It's important to do in Summer or Fall to get the maximum shattering effect in hard soils. This really improves drainage in heavy soils, especially if the land has previously been used for agriculture and may have a hard-pan layer at tiller depth. It lets the roots get down quickly so the trees can better grow and survive dry spells (winter or summer).

2. Use round-up or similar a few weeks before planting to kill off any sod. Turf-building grasses are a major competitor for nutrients with seedlings. Allow enough time for this to break down in the soil before planting. (I think the guideline is 4-6 weeks, but check it!)

3. Till the planting area - usually done in strips. The round-up and tilling can also be done the fall before planting to allow the sod to break down. You can always do a quick clean-up with round-up the next spring if need be - the turf won't have re-established. Tilling really helps the absorption of water into the surface layers of the soil and again breaks up hard soil structures. Pines send down deep taproots fairly quickly (year 3?), but they also have laterals that will benefit from a well tilled soil.

4. Plant the seedlings. Using a post hole digger is optimal for bare-root pines because even the 2 year transplants have amazingly long roots - some of mine were over 2 feet long. You don't want to prune the roots if you can avoid it - it's the depth in the soil that will help them get to the moisture. Be very careful not to J-root the seedling -- you should have enough depth that the tips of the roots don't curl up at the bottom. I'm not sure why, but this kills seedlings. I used my digging bar to score the sides of the holes - they do get a good glaze on them.

5. I applied a fabric mulch (fabric on a roll) after I planted so I wouldn't have to worry about weedkiller around the pines. You can get special weedkillers for brush control around evergreens, but I didn't want to bother doing this every year with kids in the yard. I used some U-bolts and bolted a long piece of pipe across the base of my ROPS and used it like a big toilet roll paper holder - with the fabric being the toilet paper. I then drove along about 20 feet at a time, stopped and went back to slit holes to pull the seedlings through. I used steel pins (get from same place as the fabric) to hold all this down. Don't try it on a windy day! There's a big debate about costs of weedkiller vs mulch. Your decision.

6. Don't over-water. The forester I spoke to said this is a common cause of death. You want to water them well about once a week during the first year only if there is a hot dry spell. If you do any more than this then their root systems won't be stressed enough to send out shoots to find the water.

7. The forester told me sleep-creep-leap is the pattern of growth for years 1, 2 and 3. With all the rain this spring I think mine are already leaping in year 2.

There - probably a lot of information that you already knew - but I got on a roll. My wife has a good laugh about me and my babies outside. I only lost around 5 of them over the winter despite the hot dry summer we had last year. Not a bad percentage. Two of my neighbors put in some root and ball pines at the same time - one lost all of them, the other half of them. They don't laugh at all of my preparation any more.

By the way, you will find that post-holes make awesome mouse traps. I put the holes in and then had to wait a week for planting (trees were late from Musser Forests). There was a dead mouse in about every third hole. I applied the old Indian logic (what they told the pilgrims about putting a fish in the hole before planting stuff) and left them in there - maybe that's why some of the pines are doing better than others!

P.S. Full disclosure - I skipped the round-up steps above (but did do all the rest) because I didn't yet have CFO approval for the sprayer after shelling out $$$ on the Post Hole Digger, Tiller and other supplies. That was a case of penny wise and dollar foolish. In the short time between planting and getting to the fabric mulch I had a real jungle grow back around the seedlings. I had to weed whack it down before I could get the mulch down. Just shows how good that tilled soil was for promoting growth though.

I now have a sprayer and will probably look more into the weedkillers that you can use around evergreens. I already sprayed the seedlings with Sevin this year because the neighbors pines all have bagworm and I had seen a couple on the seedlings.

Good luck.
 
   / Anybody use a post hole digger for planting?? #16  
RE: the name "kubotasaurus"

My kids think I'm crazy too - they all run away when the dreaded kubotasaurus fires up and emerges from its cave (they're little). They like to play on it when it's "sleeping" though. See - now you'll think I'm crazy too!
 
   / Anybody use a post hole digger for planting?? #17  
kubotasaurus:

Thanks for the information and the insight.

My trees will be planted in consecutive rows 5-6 feet apart.

I didn't apply the Roundup before tilling the rows this spring, but the tiller broke up the sod quite nicely. I will take your advice and spray Roundup and till this fall to prepare for the planting in the spring.

I know all too well the problem with too much moisture for the evergreens. My 1st planting of 50 Frazier fir trees got innundated with water flowing off the adjacent farmland this past month when it seemed to not stop raining. I lost about 60% of these trees. I didn't have my tractor yet and planned on digging a shallow drainage ditch (with a middlebuster plow) to divert the water run off to a tiny creek bed nearby.
Now that I have my tractor, the ditch is dug, but too late for the waterlogged trees.

My 2nd planting also done this spring was not subject to the runoff problem, and the trees (200) are doing just fine.

I bought my transplants (2-2) from Strathmeyer Forests and Abraczinskas Nurseries both in Pennsylvania.

Now with the post hole digger I'm ready for next spring, and may plant up to 400 transplants. Afterall, I have to eventually sell enough trees to justify to the IRS the business expense of the tractor. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
   / Anybody use a post hole digger for planting?? #18  
Gary, if you cremate them pesky neighbors a phd does a fine job of making an appropriate sized hole. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
 
   / Anybody use a post hole digger for planting?? #19  
I used my new phd for something original - fence posts. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
   / Anybody use a post hole digger for planting?? #20  
Of course you can use a PHD. For seedlings, a 6" auger used for a 1' deep hole is fine, but for larger stuff (I've planted 12 foot oaks obtained from a nursery) you might need to drill 3 adjacent holes (triangle pattern) with a 12" auger, and collapse the dirt between such to create 1 large, 2-3' deep hole. No big deal (just make sure you don't get anything caught on the rotating auger or pto routing).
For really big holes (albeit shallower), a front end loader works fine (yup, a backhoe is optimal, but most of us don't have one). By working around the sides, I can scoop out a 5 X 5 foot area (L3410), about 3 feet deep in the center (I slope the sides a bit, so I can edge the front wheels into the hole & thereby get the front loader further into the ground). A nursery raised 20' cypress is real happy in that hole, refilled around the root ball with loose dirt, mulch, and fertilizer appropriate to the soil analysis.
 
 

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