Anyone in the market for a midsize car? I was.

   / Anyone in the market for a midsize car? I was. #51  
My wife drives an '08 Accrod V6, which was my car until we traded in her Pilot on my '10 F-150. Car has about 50K on it now. I will agree with comments that it has a lot of road noise, especially compared to my F-150, but of course you're riding a lot closer to the road in any sedan vs pickup. I don't agree that it's boring to drive, especially with the V6, which is peppy when you step on it. I find it rather sporty to drive, and the original Michellins are holding up well. I will say that we could never get the Honda dealer to properly balance the tires but getting a road force balance at my Ford dealer fixed that and it's never driven as well as it does now. One minor issue is that the plastic seat base trim on the driver's side popped loose and would require a complete seat removal to put it back together, so I'm gonna try gluing it first, and if that doesn't work, maybe a trim head screw inconspicuously placed may be in order.

I think '08 was the first year Honda put variable cylinder mgt on the V6's, so it runs on either 3 or 4 cylinders when possible, which is usually highway driving. I have mixed opinions on it. I do like the added milage you get when highway cruising - did 30 mpg on a long trip back from NC. But, I find that without the cruise on, I have to concentrate on holding a steady speed, otherwise it tends to drop MPH if you're not constantly re-adjusting pedal position manually. This is more of an issue when driving hillier terrain and at speeds under about 65 mph. If you can run the car at 75 mph or higher, it holds speed much better with the VCM kicking in and out. Now, the real issues is that about 2 years ago when the car had around 30K on it, the check engine light came on when my wife was coming home from shopping. She said the car ran real rough and wouldn't make any power (but of course she drove it home anyway). Since it was under warranty, I had it flatbedded to the dealer. The diagnoses was fouled plugs on 2 of the cylinders and a needed computer update. After experiencing this issue, seems there are quite a few similar issues posted on line by other V6 owners.

To boot, the car has always used some oil between changes, which we do every 5k. It will use about 1-1.5 quarts between oil changes, which of course the dealer says is within spec. I am watching to see if it gets any worse. This is the first new car we've owned that uses oil. Have had 4-5 Toyotas, a Honda Pilot and several Subaru's that never used oil. My F-150 seems fine so far. I still like the car overall and if the oil consumption doesn't get any worse and we don't have any more fouled plug issues, I'd be keeping it for as long as possible, but we'll see.
 
   / Anyone in the market for a midsize car? I was. #52  
The resson it uses oil is the stupid variable cylinder deal. GM battles this problem also. I fly a lead man from Ford all the time. I asked him a few years back why they did not do variable displacement? He said they did not want to touch it due to issues with the system, oil consumption being the main issue.

Chris
 
   / Anyone in the market for a midsize car? I was. #53  
The resson it uses oil is the stupid variable cylinder deal. GM battles this problem also. I fly a lead man from Ford all the time. I asked him a few years back why they did not do variable displacement? He said they did not want to touch it due to issues with the system, oil consumption being the main issue.

Chris

No.

Honda VCM engines don't use oil at any different of a rate than the non-VCM engines. It is likely due to a PCV valve sticking or it just doesn't like the brand of oil being used.

Honda VCM has been around since '05 and engine wise has been great. Little software bugs have caused things like the occasional fouled plug or some torque converter related vibrations. They tend to also be harder on engine mounts due to the nature of the system.

The engines are still bulletproof Honda.
 
   / Anyone in the market for a midsize car? I was. #54  
I'll chime in here. I was always a domestic vehicle person. Times have changed. I got sick of fixing vehicles that shouldn't need fixing. When my daughter needed a car for college we found a 2004 Pont Grand Am. It was salvage vehicle title but wasn't hurt bad (deer crash). The car was a pain in the *****. When my son started driving I found a 2000 Camry for my daughter. It had 200,000+ miles but it still looked good. The car has been basically problem free for 2 years. My son ended up totaling out the Grand AM and we bought a 1999 Camry with the insurance money. It's been problem free as well even though it's got 179,000 miles. Last year we had oil consumption problems with the wife's 2007 Impala (not high miles). We got rid of it and bought a Subaru Outback. The car has been great. It's AWD and gets 33 MPH on the highway. I used to be a "Buy American" kind of guy. The funny thing is the two Camrys and the Outback were made in the US and my Silverado was made in Canada.
 
   / Anyone in the market for a midsize car? I was. #55  
The resson it uses oil is the stupid variable cylinder deal. GM battles this problem also. I fly a lead man from Ford all the time. I asked him a few years back why they did not do variable displacement? He said they did not want to touch it due to issues with the system, oil consumption being the main issue.

Chris

But, it's better for the environment, Right ? :rolleyes:

I was chatting with a life-long GM fan, at my buddy's commercial shop. Even he thought it was pretty funny when I said "I figure GM has launched 2 stroke truck motors, and just not announced it yet".

I don't hear about the same oil consumption issues on Dodge gas truck motors. I don't know if that is because their DOD system is that much better, or simply that I haven't talked with enough Dodge owners yet.

For the problem motors, the oil consumption is high enough that I seriously wonder how they pass Manufacturer Cert testing.

I suspect that much of the drive on recent S class motor oils to reduce zinc and phosphorus could be to accommodate all the extra oil that is going down the exhaust pipe on these "New and Improved" motors......

Progress ? :confused:

Rgds, D.
 
   / Anyone in the market for a midsize car? I was. #56  
My mom bought an OH8 Chevy Malibu used several years ago. The car has just shy of 79,000 right now, but has had issues a car this new shouldn't have had in my opinion. The fuel tank sending unit was replaced about a year ago. The engine, the larger v6, has a coolant crossover passage that was leaking at the cylinder head. The used car dealer did the repair under their warranty about 5 months ago. Then about three months ago the radiator started leaking. I got stuck doing that repair myself for her. Through all of this I discovered the car is actually an OH8 Malibu Classic, in short meaning left over OH7 production that was VINed as an OH8. It looks like an OH7, but is actually an OH8. I also discovered the car was first put into service in the middle of July 2007. So, I'm sure the actual production was some months earlier. The car rides and drives just fine. Just my input. B
 
   / Anyone in the market for a midsize car? I was.
  • Thread Starter
#57  
The resson it uses oil is the stupid variable cylinder deal. GM battles this problem also. I fly a lead man from Ford all the time. I asked him a few years back why they did not do variable displacement? He said they did not want to touch it due to issues with the system, oil consumption being the main issue.

Chris

I'm not a fan of cylinder deactivation either.
 
   / Anyone in the market for a midsize car? I was. #58  
I remember years back (probably 2001-ish) A shop teacher telling us that the cadillac northstars have been using the cylinder deactivation since they came out- early 90's or late 80's. I am not sure if they have had the oil consumption issues?
 
   / Anyone in the market for a midsize car? I was.
  • Thread Starter
#59  
I remember years back (probably 2001-ish) A shop teacher telling us that the cadillac northstars have been using the cylinder deactivation since they came out- early 90's or late 80's. I am not sure if they have had the oil consumption issues?

I know the Northstar engines used to have a good reputation back in the 80's & 90's. I'm not even sure what engines Cadillac uses in various models these days. Haven't thought much of Cadillac since they started doing that ghetto design on all their cars (the 2014 CTS looks nice though I have to admit). Base price for the '14 CTS is $45,000 and if I'm going to spend that kind of change, it ain't gonna be on a domestic car. I might as well just go look at a BMW 5 series or Mercedes E class. The Camarro and the 2014 Corvette are the two best looking cars GM has right now in my opinion.
 
   / Anyone in the market for a midsize car? I was. #60  
The Northstar engines didn't use cylinder deactivation.
 

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