Tiller Appropriate size of a tiller

[sweettractors]

<font color="blue"> TBN has outlived it's usefulness for me. Provable facts are discounted and wild theories are upheld. </font>

Brent, Dont go away feeling that way. TBN is "only" a discussion forum with many thoughts and theories about a wide array of topics. Most users of this forum may have different views because of many factors, including soil conditions, size of machines, brand of machine, climate, operator habits, etc. IMHO, When it comes right down to it, There is not a better resource of "free" tractor/implement information on the internet. None of us are always right or have the same POV on all subjects, all the time. I hope you reconsider, we value your knowledge and input.--Ken Sweet

Sweet Farm Equipment LLC *With 2 stores in central Ky to serve our customers*

 

[DUMBDOG]

Not to get in any spitting in the wind arguments here, but I have to agree with Dargo here.

I have yet to experience any pushing of the tractor by the tiller. It my humble opinion if the tractor is to small for the job, it may happen.

Yet again, in my humble opinion, for what it may be worth, HST can go slower at a more consistent speed than a gear tractor. A geared tractor can only go as slow as the gearing allows, where a HST can go real slow. In tilling my 40 acre garden last spring with a 27HP tractor and a sixty inch tiller, there would be no way that it could be done with a gear tractor with even a creeper gear, in one pass. When the soil got really heavy in spots, you just set the cruise so that the tractor was barely moving and you kept moving at a consistent speed. Same thing goes for the potato digger in wet soils, there is no way it could be done with the size tractor I was using with a gear transmission.

The next point that I would like to make is that there are some people making statements here that are selling tractors who do have a HST model whose viewpoints may be a little clouded with the day to day selling of these tractors.

Dargo, we do not want you leave the forum as your opinions are highly valued here.

Now if I have offended anyone, you have my apologies, for that was not my intent, but to mainly express my views.

 

[sweettractors]

<font color="blue"> The next point that I would like to make is that there are some people making statements here that are selling tractors who do have a HST model whose viewpoints may be a little clouded with the day to day selling of these tractors. </font>

I dont think you were referring to me, however, We sell both new Hydro and Gear tractors and I dont have a "set in stone" preference. I think a informed customer is "always right". Based on past history of all brand tractors, I personally like the gear for stability and lower cost maintainence issues over the long term and Hydro for situations that call for specialized applications or operator comfort issues. --Ken Sweet

 

[DUMBDOG]

Ken

I was not referring to you. Your reputation with a lot of TBN people and myself included is untarnished. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[Bird]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Bird, feel free to delete this post )</font>

Not me. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif Brent, my only objection to your earlier posts in this thread was because you told LMTC </font><font color="blue" class="small">( What you said here simply is not true )</font> and </font><font color="blue" class="small">( you're simply wrong )</font>. Now, if you'll go back and read his statement (one which you quoted) </font><font color="blue" class="small">( Many of the Japanese compacts have a creeper gear that is slower than you can go with a HST and maintain a constant speed )</font>. He didn't say "ALL", he did say "COMPACTS" and he did say "MAINTAIN A CONSTANT SPEED".

You say </font><font color="blue" class="small">( I used my 72" tiller behind my HST Kubota and set the cruise control. I assure you, the tiller by no means pushed me one bit. )</font> I have no argument or disagreement with that; I'll take your word for it and can certainly believe it. You also say </font><font color="blue" class="small">( Either that happened on a much smaller tractor, . . . )</font> Yep, you're right in that it was much smaller tractors; a B7100 and a B2710, and with a much smaller tiller (Bush Hog RTS40). And you continue </font><font color="blue" class="small">( or it is simply speculation. )</font> OK, you've called LMTC a liar and if you think I'm lying, too, that's your privilege, but I think I clearly stated that it was my own experimenting; no speculation to it.

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I know quite well that you'll write me off as a malcontent. )</font> Not at all. You stated facts as you know them from your personal experience, as did LMTC and I. So I think the statements on both sides of this discussion are correct depending on the size of the particular tractor, size of tiller, type of soil, soil moisture, available tractor gearing, gear or range selected, etc.

And now you say </font><font color="blue" class="small">( I have no place for people who consistently assert their opinions (that cannot be verified) as fact, and their buddies join in to support the unfounded contention. )</font> Nor do I, but I also doubt that you have experimented with as many different tractors, tillers, etc. as LMTC has, so I think you were out of line a bit to, in effect, call him a liar.

And perhaps I've been a little out of line a bit, too, by not making my comments clear enough and taking into consideration the differences in the tractor and tiller sizes that I've experimented with as compared to your much larger equipment.

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( No hard feelings. )</font> Not on my part; no reason we can't all be friends as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Soundguy]

Though this is a bit of an extreme case /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif.. it's a pretty slow tractor.. using all dealer available equipment at the time.

I think though.. for practical purposes.. an hst tractor can go slower than a gear tractor.. at a constant rpm.. though.. that is not to say that gear tractors are not good for roto tilling.. as there are many geared units that do very slow groundspeeds.

Marvin Bauman is famous and renowed for his work with the ford 8n.. here is info on his 'fourtran model'.. "One Foot (12 inches) per hour in the lowest gear".. It has the sherman tranny. the stock tranny.. and everet trencher tranny, and a howard tranny. .. Previously.. he had a unit that would do "Nine Feet (108 inches) per hour ".

Fourtrans

Do I win the cigar? /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif


Soundguy