Are Southern kids soft?

[jyoutz]

The map shows miltary base locations but does not take into account the population at those bases. Seven of the top ten states based on per capita recruitment rates are southern states. Four out of five of the largest military bases are also located in southern states.

And those southern states with the largest bases also include the west: CA, AZ, NM, CO.

 

[bigtiller]

Who here thinks there will be fighting in the streets one of these days?

One of these days? I think we have been there for to long already.
On average here in the USA, 300 people are shot every day. 100 of them die.

 

[sea2summit]

And those southern states with the largest bases also include the west: CA, AZ, NM, CO.

Only by measuring acres…

 

[sea2summit]

One of these days? I think we have been there for to long already.
On average here in the USA, 300 people are shot every day. 100 of them die.

Let’s see the map of where that happens and compare it to where the Army gets it’s recruits…

 

[jyoutz]

Only by measuring acres…

Pendleton, Bliss, and Carson stack up with the largest SE US bases in term of personnel. White Sands Missile Range is the largest military installation in the world (acres, not personnel) but its mission is of supreme national importance.

 

[sea2summit]

Pendleton, Bliss, and Carson stack up with the largest SE US bases in term of personnel. White Sands Missile Range is the largest military installation in the world (acres, not personnel) but its mission is of supreme national importance.

Curious what you mean by stack up? Carson recently got another brigade from Lewis so yes it is large but nothing like others. Bliss has a large transient population as well as Pendleton. Naval Station San Diego probably beats Carson.

 

[jyoutz]

Curious what you mean by stack up? Carson recently got another brigade from Lewis so yes it is large but nothing like others. Bliss has a large transient population as well as Pendleton. Naval Station San Diego probably beats Carson.

Just pointing out that large installations are not exclusively in the SE. Nothing more.

 

[Chewwy]

And those southern states with the largest bases also include the west: CA, AZ, NM, CO.

CA tops the list for the no. personnel on it’s bases. CO is not in the top 10 but is close. AZ and NM are farther down the list.

Those living in the south do not regard CA, AZ, NM or CO as southern states regardless of their latitude.

 

[/pine]

To avoid being accused of having a bias...whenever you wave to someone from CA...be sure to do it with a limp wrist...!

 

[Torvy]

I don't have a problem considering NM or AZ the south, as opposed to the South (which tends to equate to the former confederate states). So Cal is geographically south, but has nothing in common with other states in the southern US. Colorado is not south geographically or culturally.

California was my point in my earlier post. They have the most people stationed in bases in CA, but that does not equate to per capita enlistment numbers. Thus, proving that it is not proximity of bases (or children of military personnel) that drives enlistment numbers. In my experience, enlisted parents tend to encourage their kids to be officers or choose another career entirely.

 

[jyoutz]

CA tops the list for the no. personnel on it’s bases. CO is not in the top 10 but is close. AZ and NM are farther down the list.

Those living in the south do not regard CA, AZ, NM or CO as southern states regardless of their latitude.

Nor do we regard ourselves as part of the south; we are western. But my original point was that the SE doesn’t have all the large military installations.

 

[Chewwy]

. . . California was my point in my earlier post. They have the most people stationed in bases in CA, but that does not equate to per capita enlistment numbers. Thus, proving that it is not proximity of bases (or children of military personnel) that drives enlistment numbers. In my experience, enlisted parents tend to encourage their kids to be officers or choose another career entirely.

Per an article if Forbes Magazine dated 2/19/2020;

“Culture and tradition play a role in the decision to join the military, but so too does familiarity with uniformed service. As military service becomes rarer with the passing of the Greatest Generation of WWII veterans, as well as the millions who were drafted during the Cold War and Vietnam-era, military service is increasingly concentrated in families and in communities which host large military bases.”

My experience, being from a military family and growing up in a military town, differs greatly from your experience regarding parents and other family members encouraging their children to join the military. However, joining the military does NOT always mean a military career.

 

[CADplans]

In the article I saw that discussed this, the article explained that beyond the several states having more recruits entering the military, those recruits had far less access to quality health care, and they were raised on very low cost diets.

So, less access to doctors, vaccines, etc,, then a low protein diet, high in low cost carbs.

This adds up to way more injuries,,

 

[Chewwy]

Nor do we regard ourselves as part of the south; we are western. But my original point was that the SE doesn’t have all the large military installations.

I never said they have ALL the large military installations. But they do have a 3 of the top 5 (Fort Bragg, Fort Hood, and Fort Benning). They have 4 of the top 5 if one considers Fort Campbell in Kentucky being a southern state.

 

[Torvy]

Per an article if Forbes Magazine dated 2/19/2020;

“Culture and tradition play a role in the decision to join the military, but so too does familiarity with uniformed service. As military service becomes rarer with the passing of the Greatest Generation of WWII veterans, as well as the millions who were drafted during the Cold War and Vietnam-era, military service is increasingly concentrated in families and in communities which host large military bases.”

My experience, being from a military family and growing up in a military town, differs greatly from your experience regarding parents and other family members encouraging their children to join the military. However, joining the military does NOT always mean a military career.

I come from a military family. Dad is retired E8 (22 years USAF). Brother is retired O4 (20 years active plus 4 at USAFA). He retired in your area at Shaw AFB. My children and I sang the national anthem at his retirement ceremony. I spent my early years living on base and dad was in Viet Nam when I turned 5. When I graduated HS, dad insisted I not enlist. Instead, I was an AFROTC cadet. Looking back, I would have been better off enlisting. Of course, by then dad was retired and we were 3-4 hours from the nearest base in Grand Forks. Even had I enlisted, it wouldn't have fit the narrative because we didn't live near a base. My brother did not count in the data as he went to the Academy and dad was not in a base community.

As for tradition, this is not new for military service. Most of the data we see today is about enlisted service. Often, it does not even count officers. It is certainly true that those of us from military families are more likely to join and support others.

 

[MossRoad]

I would say this map does not support that theory.

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See that Navy base in Idaho?

I had a cousin that spent his entire Navy career there.

 

[JasperFrank]

The toughest people I've ever met where either from Alaska or Maine. They just didn't care what the weather was like. They'll just do stuff anyway, even if it seems impossible. Southern boy will say, wait till the weather turns. Crack open a beer, and offer you one

 

[Gem99ultra]

My thinking is that every young boy AND girl should be required to serve in the Armed Forces for at least 6 months, health allowing. There is a good probability that experience may well become essential sometime in the future, not to mention the common courtesy of honoring our national anthem and flag. I'm not even going to mention common courtesy for one another...

And along this topic, the ratio goes to 100% for every state!

 

[jyoutz]

My thinking is that every young boy AND girl should be required to serve in the Armed Forces for at least 6 months, health allowing. There is a good probability that experience may well become essential sometime in the future, not to mention the common courtesy of honoring our national anthem and flag. I'm not even going to mention common courtesy for one another...

And along this topic, the ratio goes to 100% for every state!

A noble idea, but I’m not sure that the military branches could accommodate that many people from a training capacity and budget standpoint.

 

[Torvy]

Definitely do it in lieu of loans. You want money from taxpayers, you earn it if you are able bodied. In my opinion, very few people are so disabled that they cannot work off any assistance. (Not necessarily military, though). If only those truly unable to work got public assistance, you would not likely have many taxpayers object (probably fewer on public assistance, too). At the very least, put in 40 hours watching paint dry in a government office.

As for the military part, 6 months is too short. 2 years gives them time for basic, tech school and a year or so of actual work. These roles are basic infantry reserves only and don't get GI Bill. If they want specialized training they can upgrade to a regular military enlistment. The budget problems could easily be worked out. (Savings in other areas) I'm seeing this as almost a separate branch so as not to interfere with the readiness and mission of regular military. The only impact on regulars is expansion of the training mission as all cadre and trainers would be regular military. They could expand training facilities like they do during the big wars. Conscientious objectors can do 4 years in a reboot of the CCC.