Are you guys hunkering down money wise?

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   / Are you guys hunkering down money wise? #61  
In Michigan, the the top 2 causes for bankruptcy are job loss and medical bills.

Gotta disagree with you there. Overspending and blaming others is where I see the biggest reason for the problem. While medical bills can be significant, Michigan is a very dominant Union state with massive health care programs. It sort of sets the standard of why not to allow the government and the unions to be in charge.

Just compare Michigan to just about any other state and you will see how it's running business out of the state. Some are going over seas, but allot of them are just going to other states where they are taxed less, have fewer regulations and are allowed to make a profit. We're not having a resession or any other significant downturn in the economy here in Texas. House values are holding steady, but are taking a little longer to sell then a few years ago, but we're building everywhere. I'm turning down work because there's more demand than I can personally handle.

Figure out why Michigan is in such bad shape and you'll end up at those who are in charge and the political climate that they have created. California and New York are headed down the same road, it's just taking them a little longer to get there.

Eddie
 
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Let's not take this political.
 
   / Are you guys hunkering down money wise? #63  
Right on Eddie, Michigan was the only state that lost jobs last year. It was a negative gnp. It was the unions pushing companies south and I wont get politics involved but the party that gets endorsed by the unions are rigtht there with the unions blaming buisness for every hardship out there. Wisconsin is not too far behind Michigan with loosing jobs because this state totally harrases companies and our govenor is a tax monster, along with our gongress and senate. Companies are just going south, a little cheaper labor and much cheaper taxes so they can to some degree compete with China and Mexico. I read these threads and am suprised at how you are all watching your wallets. I am the only one of my peers that is planning for the worst. And again if Israel attacks Iran, it's gunna happen hard and fast.
 
   / Are you guys hunkering down money wise? #64  
I tend to agree with medical issues causing bankrupcy. I have seen two close friends go belly up due to medical bills. Unreal. they had "good" issurance, and EXCELLENT jobs.

My own inusurance has over the years alloted my coverage up to 90 percent of in-hospital treatments.

That 10 percent could bankrupt me.

As someone once said, a lot of us are one paycheck from bankrupcy. I tend to agree that medical insurance forces that issue for a great too many people.
 
   / Are you guys hunkering down money wise? #65  
Michigan had a budget deficit last year so they increased spending and raised taxes.
The state government trumpets the new businesses that come to the state, but they give significant business tax incentives to get them to set-up shop here. The lack of perception that decreased taxes increases business in our state is nothing short of amazing.

Michigan parents were surveyed and revealed that only 30% felt that college education was necessary for success. That, coupled with the 25% graduation rate of Detroit high school students tells you about the state of education in Michigan.

On a more local front, my son had 30 friends that he hung-out with at the University of Michigan and they graduated last year. 29 left the state to get jobs, the one that stayed in Michigan went to graduate school.

There is a house iin our subdivision that sold a couple weeks ago for $290,000. It was amazing that it sold, but it did happen to sell for $535,000 four years ago.

Michigan - Death by Politicians and Ignorance.
 
   / Are you guys hunkering down money wise? #66  
Just be frugal with your dollars. THe $700 billion bailout won't help the foreclosures. Gas will continue to hurt people from going out and spending (dinner, movies, etc...). This will trickle down to local economy and commercial real estate... By then, we'll see the $700 billion bailout plan was a waste and the politicians who tried to sell it on fear will tell you it's not as bad as it could have been and ask for your vote again...
 
   / Are you guys hunkering down money wise? #67  
I use a credit card that gives me 1% back. Its the right thing to do for us. Every little bit helps. The CC is paid off every month. I used to use my debit card for gas and groceries but due to the security issues with the debit card and the 1% back on the CC, I only use the debit to get cash. $100 lasts a very long time. :D

We still are having fuel shortages in my area. Last Thursday was the first time I had trouble getting diesel. Two places were out. Thankfully the third station had fuel. They had been out since you could see the remains of the out of fuel sign on the pump. :eek: They have a credit card that give 10% back for some period of time and then 5% there after. Have to check the fine print though. Hopefully, in the next few weeks we will eventually make a trip and return with a 285 gallon fuel tank. :D Which does save me some money and I have lots of fuel at the house and a much wider time period to find fuel. :D

Its been interesting watching the Congress Critters react to the financial crisis. This mess is very much of their making. In 2003 less than 8% of the loan were subprime. In 2006 over 20% were subprime. Barney Frank blocked oversight/overhaul legislation. Mr. Franks boyfriend at one point was one of the guys in charge of one of the Fannies.

Schumer said the three page bill to get out of this mess would not turn into a Christmas tree. Meaning that everyone would NOT hang their pork on the tree. Given the bill went to over 400 pages its one big XMAS tree. Both sides should hanging from the tree as a result.

Some of the mess, is as usual, from unintended consequences. One of the results of Enron seems to be the use of the accounting rule called Mark to Market. Hopefully one of our CPA's can explain this better and/or correct my understanding. What I have read is that Mark To Market is like having a house on Galveston Island that is worth 100K in August. Then Ike starts to get close. How much is the house worth? Who is going to buy the house while Ike gets closer and closer. At some point the value of the house in the Market is 0 since nobody is going to buy the house. So the bank would have to mark the assest as a 0. Even though the house does have value but for the short term it has no value.

The rules apparently are making these big firms mark the assest values as a zero. The assest may not sellable on a particular day or even a week or more. But is its value really 0? At some point, even if the house was wiped away by Ike the land would have some value not 0. But the rules are forcing a valuation of 0.

Course this stuff is as clear as deep black mud. One of the items that made it into the recently passed recovery bill was an increase of coverage amounts by the FDIC from 100K to 250K. That seems to be nuts. Supposedly one of the reasons that the S & L crisis was so bad during the 80's was the increase the coverage amounts to 100K. It puts the G'ment meaning US on the hook for more money.....

On the other hand, :D, Wachovia's problems a weekend or so back was at least partly due to a silent run on the bank. Joe Six Pack was not withdrawing his money but companies were since if Wachovia went under they might not be able to get to their money. Thus they would not be able to pay their bills, meet payroll, etc. Some of the companies pulled out all of their money ABOVE 100K. So maybe pushing up the limit to 250K would help? Who knows.

Then there is the whole derivitive issues. Not sure anyone really understood those things. They might understand the idea but I don't think people understood the consequences when things went bad. Warren Buffett got his companies out of using derivitives which says something.

Executive pay has been an issue for decades. One of the reasons for pushing stock options was to give Executives some ownership of the company so they would no strip the company of value. Take the money and run type of thing. Employees were able to buy stock at reduced prices because of this law. Then the stock options got abused by the suits. The law was changed so that the stock options had to be on the books to try to stop the option abuse. As a result I no longer buy stock from my company because its just not worth the investment. Better places for me to park the money.

Later,
Dan
 
   / Are you guys hunkering down money wise? #68  
I am still waiting for my bailout...errr...rescue.

I see BoA has announced plans to restructure the 400k of customer home loans from CountrySide. Now that is for those "in trouble".

How about for the average Joe/Joette homeowner? Where is the plan to give them money in their pocket?

I'll be writing my representatives again.
 
   / Are you guys hunkering down money wise? #69  
Definately paying attention to what's going on. Crime will sky rocket in the very near future due to job losses and becoming homeless. People who have lived honest lives and need to feed a child will do unheard of things in tough times. I am keeping bulk cash handy and I can tell you I know for sure how much 5.56 ammo will fit in a 55 gallon drum. Stocking groceries and water as I never have before and have a bug out bag packed. I never gave much thought to any of this before and I hope my gut feeling is wrong but I'm ready just in case. Spending has never been a problem with the wife and I and we live well within our means, neither of us have a credit card or car payments, just small mortgage and utilities.

Brad
 
   / Are you guys hunkering down money wise? #70  
Big shovel I have also been thinking about stocking up on ammo, especially if you know who gets in thw white house. It seems like I am overeacting to all this and have been telling people for years it's been coming, but now I am sure it's close. We just owe everyone too much and I don't see how we will ever pay it back. I guess the good new is Europe is having problems too.
 
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