Asphalt or concrete driveway?

   / Asphalt or concrete driveway? #31  
I am in the process of getting my driveway packed before I start adding any kind of rock and then finish processing. By getting my driveway packed i mean I want to spend a year driving on it and letting it weather etc to pack down after being cut out by a grader. I was doing some research on prices I figured for a norma driveway I could probably do something 10 feet wide. My driveway itself is 170 feet. I do not know anything about asphalt but was told that for a driveway which basically will just have car or pickup traffic on it I could get by with 2 inches of asphalt. I am going to try and do it myself. When I priced asphalt you get it by the ton. Concrete is sold by the yard from the calculations I made it was going to be very close to the same price with concrete being a bit cheaper. I am not sure I figured it right and I figured a 4 inch thick concrete driveway. I am sure someone will tell me If I am wrong.
 
   / Asphalt or concrete driveway? #32  
Gemini,

Depending on your area, just comparing the cost of pavement and concrete can be fairly close. I've heard that concrete can be cheaper from allot of people, but when I priced it, I found it to be the other way around. It could just be that the oil is cheaper here, but I really don't know.

The big difference in price is in prep work and the labor to lay it. Black top is pretty much an machine layed and only takes a few guys to go a very long distance. I'm planning on miles of pavement, so my prices might not reflect what your average homeowner will be able to get. Again, I just don't know.

To put down long distances of concrete, it has to be done in section and tied to together. This can take 4 days to over a week depending on the prep work, forms, rebar and reseting everything for each pour. On long drives, this labor is what kills concrete financially.

The original poster said they had a quarter mile to either pave or concrete. It's a one day job to pave that distance. How many days to set forms, lay rebar, pour, remove forms and then do it all over again until done?

Eddie
 
   / Asphalt or concrete driveway? #33  
Eddie that is a good point that I had not considered. Since I am just doing a driveway I was going to pour it in 20 foot sections The area around the driveway is pretty hard rocky soil so I have the luxury of being able to drive around the driveway while it is setting up. AS you have pointed out time is the big element it would be a lot easier to lay the asphault than to pour the concrete.
 
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#34  
I by far have more time than money. But, I do want to do it "right" (obviously very subjective) the first time since I plan to live here until I'm planted. I'm still very open to all suggestions and definitely do not consider any as bad suggestions. Right now the ground is very soft, but our gravel drive is not soft or spongy anywhere. Our issue that is sort of pressing is that we will need another couple of tri-alxe loads of gravel this summer if we don't do something. I just hate the thought of throwing away $600 or more for additional gravel when we want to go with something else. I don't recall the exact measured distance, but we were looking at going 12' wide.

I'm told that it's the lime in the gravel that holds it together but also makes the mess in our garage and barn. Besides, when it snows, it is a delicate job to plow the snow and not the gravel. Again, thanks for the ideas and suggestions. Still I ponder...
 
   / Asphalt or concrete driveway? #35  
As has been mentioned several times, the base is what counts. Either one will fail with a poor base. We have lived 24 yrs on a blacktop farm to market road with heavy daily traffic, including semi gravel haulers. That FM road has had minimal maintenance over those 24 yrs and is still in very good condition. That is typical of most blacktop roads and highways in this area. And we have the very hot TX heat every year.
We live in a subdivision of 1+ acre lots. The streets consist of one main loop with several cul-de-sacs. No real traffic except those who live here. The streets are concrete. Those concrete streets began to deteriorate after 6-8 yrs and have been repaired numerous times now because the concrete has broken and fallen thru soft spots. Obviously, whoever laid the streets did a minimal job of preparing the base.
The point is, if done correctly, either one will be OK.
 
   / Asphalt or concrete driveway? #36  
Darla said:
I by far have more time than money. But, I do want to do it "right" (obviously very subjective) the first time since I plan to live here until I'm planted. I'm still very open to all suggestions and definitely do not consider any as bad suggestions. Right now the ground is very soft, but our gravel drive is not soft or spongy anywhere. Our issue that is sort of pressing is that we will need another couple of tri-alxe loads of gravel this summer if we don't do something. I just hate the thought of throwing away $600 or more for additional gravel when we want to go with something else. I don't recall the exact measured distance, but we were looking at going 12' wide.

I'm told that it's the lime in the gravel that holds it together but also makes the mess in our garage and barn. Besides, when it snows, it is a delicate job to plow the snow and not the gravel. Again, thanks for the ideas and suggestions. Still I ponder...

Darla,

When you say that you have more time than money, are you considering doing the work yourself? If you are, then that changes everything. Take out the expense of a contractor and his crew, and the prices of a concrete driveway drops an enourmous amount.

12' would be an ideal width, but your cars are only in the 8 foot wide range. Big rigs and RV's are maxed out on there width, and they will all fit on a 10 foot road. That extra two feet the full length of your drive will add 20 percent to the cost over a ten food wide driveway.

Why do you need several loads of gravel? Are there low spots? Potholes? If the road isn't perfectly flat before you put down concrete or blacktop, those materails can be used to fill those voids if you have a solid base, but the cost of concrete is close to $100 a yard and gravel is $15 a yard. Makes allot of sense to use the cheaper material for fill.

Lime does not hold the rock together. Depending on what type of rock you use, and here it's Limestone, the rock interlocks itself together. Road base consists of rock that is crushed so that you have big ones that may be several inches across to very fine particles. When it's put down thick enough, and that's usualy 4 inches or more, it will pack together when compactd to form a solid base. All the rocks will fit together with the smaller ones and the fines filling in every tiny bit of space. This will shed water, support tens of thousands of pounds and never move.

Some people like to drag there drives with a box blade to smooth it out, but I wouldn't ever recomend it. This breaks up the top layer of the rocks and fines and also cuts down on the thickness of the rock road material. When it's less than four inches thick, the rocks lose there strength and can no longer support very much weight or repel water. This is when most gravel roads fail.

Before you put blacktop or concrete on down, it's very important to have a solid base. If it moves, then your finished road will move also and it will begin to fall apart.

Bill's post reminded me of another material you might cosider. It's called oil sand. It looks very similar to blacktop, but it's made with sand instead of rock. Overall, it's not near as strong as blacktop, but it's allot cheaper. Allot of the county roads in my area are made this way, and they have all sorts of heavy traffic on them all day long.

I have no first hand experience with oil sand, but you might want to look into it before making a decision.

Eddie
 
   / Asphalt or concrete driveway? #37  
Good lookin' house and truck turbo!


anthony
 
   / Asphalt or concrete driveway? #38  
12' would be an ideal width, but your cars are only in the 8 foot wide range. Big rigs and RV's are maxed out on there width, and they will all fit on a 10 foot road. That extra two feet the full length of your drive will add 20 percent to the cost over a ten food wide driveway.

In Oregon 12' is minimum for driveways, 14' if on a sharp curve.

The reason is access for fire equipment. If you ever need one, you do not want a fire truck to go off the driveway & get stuck too far from your house to do any good, and probably blocking any other equipment from getting in.
 
   / Asphalt or concrete driveway? #39  
Dave,

You bring up a good point about access for emergancy equipment. She also mentioned the need for access of some heavy trucks, so 12 feet would be better.

I failed to mention that the base rock on thinner driveways, is usually a few feet wider than the pavement on either side to support emergancy vehicles if they are ever needed. It's kind of a shame to have to pave a road wide enough for a fire truck when the odds are it will never be needed. Of course, it would be an tragedy if they couldn't make it to the house because the roads are not wide enough. I'd heard of those laws in some places, but had forgotten about them. ooops.

Eddie
 
   / Asphalt or concrete driveway? #40  
May not be an option for heavier trucks, but does anyone know anything about rock & oil?

Our county roads are all rock and oiled. No asphalt or concrete. It creates a very hard surface and seem to hold up to the traffic pretty well. I just don't know much about cost, durability, etc.

jk
 

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