At Home In The Woods

   / At Home In The Woods #4,011  
Its funny, I have lived in the country my entire life and as far as I can remember I have only seen 1 wild turkey. Drank a few bottles of it though.:thumbsup:

Chris
 
   / At Home In The Woods #4,012  
Diamondpilot said:
Its funny, I have lived in the country my entire life and as far as I can remember I have only seen 1 wild turkey. Drank a few bottles of it though.:thumbsup:

Chris

I can head out in any direction and see a flock in ten minutes or less, and I live about 22 miles from downtown Kansas City!!
 
   / At Home In The Woods #4,013  
ruralruss,
Same here. It is a challenge though.

It is a little scary that we eat food that has poison on it strong enough to kill things. Sure we rinse the veggies we get from the store. If rinsing them with water is enough, then the first rain that occurs in the crop field would remove all the poison and the bugs would have a feast. So it seems to me that a potent amount of poison must stay on the food after rinsing it.

People are living longer now than they used to so maybe the poision on the food isn't killing us earlier. However, I wonder if we are just living longer but are sicker in our old age - more cancer, etc.

I would rather die quickly in my sleep than have a slow death by poison. I could just be paranoid...

However, I doubt anyone would argue that eating food that at one time had poison on it is healthier than eating food that never had poison on it. Of course, that's assuming you had enough to eat after the bugs got their share.

Obed

Obed,

There are some things you can do, first search on the internet for foods that you should buy organic because of pesticides and then look for ones that are low in pesticides. For example, apples and strawberries are among the the worst. Vegetables like onions, garlic, cauliflower, cabbage, basically things you peel are usually pretty low in pesticides.

I always eat seasonal fruit for breakfast. For the last couple of weeks I have been eating a quart of strawberries. We have around 500 plants. I love them but so do the slugs. We covered our raised beds with black weed block fabric and cut X's just big enough to get the strawberry plugs in. The slugs won't get on the fabric. Of course the squirrels have taken a like to them. The blueberries will be next and they are easy to grow organically, just plant them. Before the strawberries were apples. We buy these by the bushels. We take them home and sort them so the ones in the worst shape are eaten first. Then we put them into plastic bags, getting as much air out as we can and put them on the bottom of our second frig. We don't open them until they run out in the the first frig. These will keep amazingly long time, especially Pink Ladies. Now I sad apples are on the bad list, we have 2 orchards within a reasonable distance that practice IPM, Integrated Pest Management. It is not organic but they do spray less and they use natural means of pest control like introducing beneficial predator insects. However we still vigorously wash the apples in soapy water. Not just any soap and especially not anti bacterial soap.

Learn what the eggs of squash beetles look like and squash them. They look a lot like lady beetle eggs so be careful because they are good bugs. There are many other thing you can do planting a garden is a wonderful thing. When you start getting more that you can eat it is time time to try canning, drying and freezing food.

We grow most of the food we eat, I would estimate around 70%. We have lettuce almost every day, 10 months of the year it is from our garden or large hoop house. We plant 70 to 80 tomatoes every year and there is just 2 of us. We have pizza sauce, pasta sauce, tomato sauce, tomato juice, salsa, dried tomatoes, frozen roasted tomatoes, V8 juice, whole canned tomatoes and probably some more I am forgetting.

Grains are one thing we buy because we don't have enough usable land or the equipment. We get our wheat from Wyoming. It is not certified organic but none the less it is. We grind our flower from it to make bread. Tonight I will be having pizza with a crust I made last evening, I will put our pizza sauce on it along with our onions and our garlic and our crushed pepper flakes, sadly the whole, spicy, green olives come from Greece and the cheese from Whole Foods.

My wife of 32 years and I both grew up on small farms. We now live our lives much like we did growing up, and I like it.
 
   / At Home In The Woods #4,014  
Use pesticide with permethrin in it. Its harmless to humans, and made from the flower pyrethrums, a type of cersanthmum (spelling). This flower has developed a natural resistance to insects and its can stun them, scientists extract this from the flower and made an insecticide at first that wont kill it just stuns the bug so they fall off the plant but they cant eat if they cant stay on it. The newer versions can kill now and there are Pyrethroids that are basically a synthetic version of the chemical that the plant produces. There toxic to insects but not mammals. I think some of them can be sprayed as close to a day or two before harvest. I have one type that is labeled for organic growers. Yes an organic farmer can use it and still maintain his organic certification.
 
   / At Home In The Woods #4,015  
Use pesticide with permethrin in it. Its harmless to humans, and made from the flower pyrethrums, a type of cersanthmum (spelling). This flower has developed a natural resistance to insects and its can stun them, scientists extract this from the flower and made an insecticide at first that wont kill it just stuns the bug so they fall off the plant but they cant eat if they cant stay on it. The newer versions can kill now and there are Pyrethroids that are basically a synthetic version of the chemical that the plant produces. There toxic to insects but not mammals. I think some of them can be sprayed as close to a day or two before harvest. I have one type that is labeled for organic growers. Yes an organic farmer can use it and still maintain his organic certification.

We use this as a last chance. It is a non discriminant killer.
 
   / At Home In The Woods #4,016  
We use this as a last chance. It is a non discriminant killer.

Permethrin is good stuff. It was the winner in a "contest" for something to treat BDU's with to reduce insect bites on the troops as that could be life threatening. There were pump up sprayers issued and guys put out there clothes for the designated spray guy to spray. Now the cloth is treated before it is made into uniforms. Permethrin is the active ingredient in shampoo to use on kids who come home from school with lice. It is used to spray cattle for flies.

You can buy it at Wally World in 1/2 of a percent concentration (same as military used) to spray your clothes. It lasts for 50 hot detergent washings or a year. It is much more economical to buy at ag store at maybe $60/gal but when diluted to working strength makes about $1800.00 worth at Wally World prices. It is not for use on your skin as your chemistry kills it. It binds tightly to cotton fiber and is used to spray your long pants, outer long sleeve shirt, and socks.

Permethrin messes with the sensors of ticks and mosquitoes etc so they don't bite. It will kill bugs that stay in contact with it. It is used in a water solution and is safe for kids and pets after it dries and won't hurt anything like carpets or baseboards that wouldn't be hurt by a little misting with water. Kills household bugs and is super low odor after it is thoroughly dry.

I have been a happy user for over 10 years. I love the way it stops ticks, mosquitoes, chiggers, etc.

If you read the ingredients on insect spray for vegetable gardens you are likely to see permethrin and or its close cousins. We are plagued with scorpions. Cypermethrin a cousin of permethrin is better for scorpions. It too is a water solution, safe for kids and pets when dry and low low odor. I sprayed where the house or porch slabs meets the ground, all thresholds, and under all the baseboards where they like to hide. We saw plenty of scorpions subsequently but they were dead or close to it when seen. Great stuff.

We try spraying soap first to control insects on our veggies. If that doesn't work we use a spray listed as safe near harvest even if it is not near harvest as we like to reduce consumption of strong chemicals. We manually remove tomato worms to avoid needing to spray.

There is soap sold expressly for washing your produce before consumption. I'm not sure it makes store bought stuff safe.

Pat
 
   / At Home In The Woods #4,017  
Carl's wife here. Wikipedia says permethrin is dangerously toxic to cats but not other mammals... Just FYI.
 
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Obed said:
Yes, we realize critters are going to be a challenge. We might end up putting up a removable fence but are trying a couple easier things first.

I just ordered two of these motion activated alarms.

http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs...SID=-8718243187636753313&AID=10368321&cj=true

I'm also plan to order one of the these Scarecrow Motion Sprinklers.

http://www.contech-inc.com/products/scarecrow/
The motion activated alarms arrived today. I have set them out to charge in the sun. However the sun wad behind the clouds all day today. These alarms only work at night. I may take them apart to see if I can put a piece of tape over the daylight sensor so they will work during the daytime also.
 

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