at what RPM should 3 point go up??

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lennym

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I've noticed lately that my 3-point doesn't go up at a low idle. I need to take the RPMs >2000 now to get it to lift a 650 pound load. Does this seem right? Tractor is an FX42d. At what RPM does your FX or YM lift the 3 point with what load?

UTF, filters and screens were just done.
 
   / at what RPM should 3 point go up?? #2  
Think about the basics here.. the hyd pump is what is making your lift go up.. and the hyd pump is engine driven... If it is taking high rpm to get the pump to make the lift go up.. either the pump is worn out.. or the lift cylinder leaks.. or the relief valve is stuck.. or the control valve is stuck.

The arms on my 1700 will start to rise during cranking if the lever is up.. so.. I guess you will have to do some investigating.

Soundguy
 
   / at what RPM should 3 point go up?? #3  
All 3pt's should go up (slowly) at an idle.
Check hydraulic fluid for water (dark brown or mayonaise color, not clear/clean). If dirty, change it and the filter. If clean, you might still change the hydraulic filter. if you have a front loader, does it go up and down smooth and at normal speed?
Also, if there is some sort of restriction, the pump will usually whine. If there is no restriction, then the 3pt ram (internal) might have leaky o-rings.
 
   / at what RPM should 3 point go up??
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What and where is the relief valve?

Are you suggesting that it could be the up/dwn controlling valve too?

Where would the cylinder be for the rockshaft?

Although not liquid tested, I had the hyd pump out during spring cleaning and the gears looked very good.
 
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I'm not familiar with your tractor to answer those questions.. I was just speaking from general experience with various 3pt lift hyd systems...

Some use unloading valves.. etc.. everybody has something different..

time to grab your manual/exploded parts diagram.

Soundguy
 
   / at what RPM should 3 point go up?? #7  
My Cub will lift a 6 foot box blade at 1000 rpm's.
 
   / at what RPM should 3 point go up?? #8  
Did the problem start after you serviced the hydraulics, including removing the pump, or was this done for troubleshooting purposes. Did you use the correct fluid?
 
   / at what RPM should 3 point go up??
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Over the 4 years I've owned the tractor, I've used NAPA hydraulic filters. I would say that I've never had "good" hydraulic flow rate judging by what I would consider a slow 3 point and relatively slow Koyker 155 loader (with 6' bucket).

Over the winter this problem has become significantly worse. I pulled the screen which was clean. I replaced the hyd filter. I replaced the UTF with Coastal JD303 (actual name of product) from AutoZone. While I had the tractor drained, I pulled the hyd pump hoping to get it "bench" tested. Instead I had it inspected for wear and it got a clean bill of health (however I'm not sure how accurate the shop's assessment was).

When the job was complete I had some difficulty priming the pump. I tried inclines and declines trying to get the fluid to the pump. Even after what seemed like a fair prime, the 3 pt and loader were sluggish to non-existent at low rpms. I also noticed hissing/crackling at the pump that I now suspect as cavitation due to poor suction flow. It was at that time that I remembered some talk on this board about NAPA filters not always being the correct exchange for the Yanmar filters.

I took to drastic measures this weekend. Before ordering a genuine replacment filter, I wanted to prove to myself that it could be the filter. I pulled it and the filter mount and bypassed it with 1" ID clear PVC tubing. Here comes the good with the bad . . .

Once primed, the hyd pump noise went away since it was no longer starved, however, with loader detached, the 3 point wouldn't move at low idle. It took rpms >2000 to get it to move.

Without being familiar with the fluid flow once it leaves the visible output pump lines and goes into the tractor, I have to suspect that either the pump is damaged or I may have a restriction somewhere in the tractor (maybe at the speed knob valve under the seat).

Are there other full proof ways of measuring hydraulic performance? I'm not sure what to do next. Can a typical hydraulic shop rebuild this pump (if it's bad)?
 
   / at what RPM should 3 point go up?? #10  
I have never had a hydraulic problem and all I know is what I have read on these forums, but I would start by disassembling and inspecting the speed control valve, (lever), under the seat and the servicing stop valve down by your feet, for trash or contamination.
 

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