Attacking that power problem CT225

[lilranch2001]

I would suggest contacting the Bobcat National Sales Manager or Service Manager, and explain your issues or e mail ond have him look at this thread.
I spoke to my sales person yesterday about some of the issues that have been brought up on this forum and he spoke to the national guy right afterwards (who happens to be his father) and said there are few and far between issues with the Bobcat CUT's

 

[bbse]

This may be a really stupid idea, but if the dealer has a 225, could you not do a side by side right there at the dealership? I mean you could even hook them tail to tail with a logging chain, and you should be able to tell if there is something wrong right away.

That is exactly what we are doing. The salesman is supposed to bring a unit out here and let me duplicate my tests with a different machine. If it is weal also then we will all know. I will also let Bobcat know. These guys seem genuinely baffled. They have basically 0 experience with tractors and don't seem to understand what a CUT should do.

 

[DK35vince]

That is exactly what we are doing. The salesman is supposed to bring a unit out here and let me duplicate my tests with a different machine. If it is weal also then we will all know. I will also let Bobcat know. These guys seem genuinely baffled. They have basically 0 experience with tractors and don't seem to understand what a CUT should do.

Maybe you can also show him what your 3054 can do in the same situation with similar HP.

 

[captin_insano]

you cant compare a gear tractor to a HST. The HST eats up a lot of the power, no matter the brand of tractor, if it has an HST it will give up some power at the wheels to gain ease of operation. Having run that ct235 loaner for awhile here I am leaning towards thinking your tractor is working right. Its just a matter of alot of weight and a HST. You may have to get used to using lower gears than you did on your gear model. I do hope its something simple and insignificant wrong with yours and it can be made to perform up to your standards though.

 

[bbse]

you cant compare a gear tractor to a HST. The HST eats up a lot of the power, no matter the brand of tractor, if it has an HST it will give up some power at the wheels to gain ease of operation. Having run that ct235 loaner for awhile here I am leaning towards thinking your tractor is working right. Its just a matter of alot of weight and a HST. You may have to get used to using lower gears than you did on your gear model. I do hope its something simple and insignificant wrong with yours and it can be made to perform up to your standards though.

I don't think they would care what my 3054 can do because according to the service manager, these new tractors have a lot of power robbing emissions controls, plus it is gear drive. It is also in Lexington and I am in Nashville.

As to living with it, no way. I will sell it and go back to hauling the Kioti back and forth between here and west TN. I can't stomach something this bad. Also, if this turns out to be by design, I will be contacting Bobcat corporate with a suggestion that they paint these pink and add a flower holder next to the steering wheel, like those cute little gay/feminine VW Beetles.

 

[captin_insano]

according to the service manager, these new tractors have a lot of power robbing emissions controls

My bota L3400 has a sticker that says "extra power" and the engine hp is rated approx 2 hp higher than the older ones. The kubota rep who was looking at my 7800 when I bought the L told me that the emissions equipment eat that extra power up and I'm left with basically the same wheel hp as the older ones.

 

[Sprocket]

What does it take to turn a 225 into a 230 or 235? It could be pretty simple. The tractor itself is the same. Injectors and reflash of the ECM could make a huge difference. even larger cylinder liners and new piston shouldn't be a big deal on a 3 cylinder. could some of the 230/235 guys chime in with displacement #s, bore and stroke, injector pump and injector #s. It might be interesting.

 

[bbse]

What does it take to turn a 225 into a 230 or 235? It could be pretty simple. The tractor itself is the same. Injectors and reflash of the ECM could make a huge difference. even larger cylinder liners and new piston shouldn't be a big deal on a 3 cylinder. could some of the 230/235 guys chime in with displacement #s, bore and stroke, injector pump and injector #s. It might be interesting.

This is a new tractor with slightly less than 50 hours, I doubt B-C is going to want to mess with this as a warranty issue. Bumping that relief valve up so I could actually use the HP I have would be nice. I rebuilt the engine on my Kioti 3054 and though it was simple compared to most, it still was no "simple" task. It would be easier for them to just swap me for a CT235 than to go thru all that...which I doubt very seriously they will do anyways. I am supposed to be hearing from a sales person for a test of the tractor...that was 2 days ago. I think we have hit the ignore me stage which I am fixing to correct abruptly.

 

[devildog1]

bbse,
you are totally correct, you should not accept that answer, my Craftsman's Garden tractor will spin or loose traction before it will stall. If you can't resolve this issue with BC, you know what you have to do as I could see by reading through this thread. It is totally unacceptable for your size tractor to be operating the way is does, and if BC says so then they need to go back to the drawing board. Best of luck to you.
DevilDog

 

[SPYDERLK]

Just brought the tractor home from Bobcat and it is still the same if not even a little worse.

I am unfamiliar with your tractor models characteristic performance so pls bear with me.
1] About how fast will your tractor go on level ground in mid range. - As fast as you can possibly walk w/o breaking into a trot?- faster?? ... Im trying to get an idea of the gearing equivalent here to make a comparison to my BX.
2] When you speak of not being able to spin the wheels are you talking about low range or mid range?
3] Are your tires loaded?

My BX will not spin its Ags on good ground even in low range - it doesnt stall either since the hst goes into relief. The BX low range can go at a brisk walk and will climb 30degrees or more. Hi [2 ranges only] will make 8 or 9 mph and is very hard pressed to climb 18 degrees unladen except for mmm.

Has anyone checked your tractor for a parasitic hydraulic load from, perhaps a restriction in the fel valve? Does your fel valve or any of the remotes get hot w/i 30 minutes of starting. If so it could be suck a couple hp pumping thru a restriction. ... :confused2:
larry