Attacking that power problem CT225

[CT230 Fan]

thought about getting rid of my 225 cause it cannot go up a slight incline in mid range when running the belly mower and on High you all are correct, its a highway gear only but I do need to run at 2500 rpm to get her to go

Yea, I'd say there is something causing this. I generally run at 2500 RPMS for mowing and have no problems. While plowing snow, I've even run it up closer to 3000. Either way, the tractor goes to where I put it. It stays there unless I really get into something rough, then it will drop rpms, but as soon as I let up in the throttle, it jumps right back up there.

 

[Gittyup]

If the tractor is working fine in mid range, then it is probably functioning as it was designed. You might be expecting too much.

 

[bbse]

If the tractor is working fine in mid range, then it is probably functioning as it was designed. You might be expecting too much.

I may be, how steep a hill should I be able to climb in mid range with the loader and scraper attached? The thing that bugs me is that if I stop(or come to a stop is more like it) on a hill in mid range, I can apply light pedal pressure and keep the RPM's up but I cannot get the tractor to move. I can push down on the hydro pedal and start to stall it, by feathering I can get down on the pedal pretty good and keep my RPM's up to but I cannot get moving. Likewise, on solid grass covered ground in low range, 3000 rpm, barely pushing the pedal with the loader into a pile, I cannot break the tires loose. I can push the pedal on down and stall it but I cannot get my engine power to the tires. My Kioti will dig to the axles at a lot lower rpm.

 

[CT230 Fan]

That is not the norm. In mid range you should be able to drive that thing up a mountain. I would start with my dealer and give them a chance to make it right, whether that be fixing your tractor or replacing it. If that gets you nowhere, then I'd get w. the Regional sales manager and lean on him. I would also point out that there are already a few dissatisfied customer that are stating their opinions on large internet forums such as these, and it would be benificial for Bobcat to make these customers happy. I know that I did a lot of research before I jumped in feet first and bought a tractor, and I'd say most people are using the internet to do this. If that doesn't work, I guess you will have to work your way up the chain of command. Eventually you will find someone that doesn't want to deal with the situation, and they are high enough up to just make it go away. In that case, you win. Good luck.

 

[devildog1]

I may be, how steep a hill should I be able to climb in mid range with the loader and scraper attached? The thing that bugs me is that if I stop(or come to a stop is more like it) on a hill in mid range, I can apply light pedal pressure and keep the RPM's up but I cannot get the tractor to move. I can push down on the hydro pedal and start to stall it, by feathering I can get down on the pedal pretty good and keep my RPM's up to but I cannot get moving. Likewise, on solid grass covered ground in low range, 3000 rpm, barely pushing the pedal with the loader into a pile, I cannot break the tires loose. I can push the pedal on down and stall it but I cannot get my engine power to the tires. My Kioti will dig to the axles at a lot lower rpm.

bbse,
There is a issue with your Bobcat tractor, and you should have dealer come out to see first hand what you are talking about. No brand bashing here just the for comparing my Kubota B3200 with 60" FEL and 72" BB on about same degree of slope. I plow or pushed 24" snow up grade with BB down and scraping snow all the way in M range. Did the same with my BX23, you should be able to do same and if anything spin or loose traction before tractor stall out. Don't take no for an answer, follow the chain of command and pursue till you are satisfied, It's your right as a good faith buyer. Good Luck to you, DevilDog

 

[bbse]

bbse,
There is a issue with your Bobcat tractor, and you should have dealer come out to see first hand what you are talking about. No brand bashing here just the for comparing my Kubota B3200 with 60" FEL and 72" BB on about same degree of slope. I plow or pushed 24" snow up grade with BB down and scraping snow all the way in M range. Did the same with my BX23, you should be able to do same and if anything spin or loose traction before tractor stall out. Don't take no for an answer, follow the chain of command and pursue till you are satisfied, It's your right as a good faith buyer. Good Luck to you, DevilDog

Spoke with the branch manager today. They keep claiming that they have tested everything and it meets spec. So I told him that

1. That means all CT225's have no power and it is a brand wide issue, in which case it is something that they are going to have to prove to me before I accept that reason as an answer/excuse. Of course then I would really dog them out.

2. If it is just mine that is bad, they need to fix it

3. If they cannot fix it then they need to replace it.

So far they are playing dumb. He keeps asking me the same questions like I am going to start doubting my answer or something. Looks like I am in for a long struggle as they don't seem to want to do anything. I am going to go out there Monday and see if they will let me on one of their other CT225's to see how it performs in comparison. But as I told him, you are trying to get me to believe that Bobcat put out a tractor that cannot even pull itself up a hill in mid range, let alone do some work on the way. We shall see.

 

[crusty 1]

All I can say is my 235 today pulled a 7 ft. back blade of mud thru a soup hole and never had a power issue,something has got to be wrong with yours. The dealer makes a big difference in trying to figure these things out,best of luck!

 

[CT230 Fan]

Just a suggestion here, but I would try and schedule a meeting at your place with both the branch manager and a representative from bobcat. Demonstrate to them the issues you are having, and then ask them if that is the product they are selling! You have to be willing to put pressure on them and if that means the threat of a lawsuit, then that may be the route you have to take.

Here is a little story that is similar to your situation. My parents are at retirement age. They purchased a brand new RV(brand to remain unnamed). They had it for about a year or so, and had a few small issues with it, but nothing huge. Well, something else went wrong and my dad took it in to have it worked on. The technician mentioned that there was a lot of rust on the underside of the unit, and that it was too new for that. After that, my dad got curious and crawled under and realized that it was litterally rusting out. So much so that the straps for the gas tank were nearly gone, and many of the bots used were rusted off. My dad started w. the dealer, and he accepted no responsibility and gave him the run around. Back and forth they went till he finally got ahold of someone w. the RV mfg. They go back and forth. Here's the deal, these units were mfg down south, but nowhere near the ocean, and we are nowhere near the ocean, but this unit had to have been exposed to saltwater, and a lot of it. Every dealer was supposed to wash the units upon receiving them as well, but our best guess is that this RV was caught up in a tropical storm or hurricane and got coated in salt water which cause the problems. Long story short, after months of fighting back and forth the RV mfg. gave in and replaced the RV with a brand new model. Part of the reason the gave in was the threat of a lawsuit, and also the threat of smearing their name across the internet and by word of mouth. One of the conditions of the resolution, was that my dad could not publically smear them. Any way, I hope you don't have to work as hard as he did and everything works out for your benifit.

 

[bbse]

I agree CT230, I am taking this one step at a time. If they do not fix it now my next step is to have them come to my place for a demonstration. I am going to try to have them bring another of their tractors. After that there will be the consumer agencies, also calls to corporate including Daedong USA, copies and links to the internet forum posts, this one and several others I will have had by that time. I will not stop...one thing I can be is relentless. I am good at righteous indignation.

 

[Gittyup]

There was a Kioti a year or two ago that had these same symptoms. They ended up replacing the HST, as I recall, and all was well after that. Stay after them. Good luck.