Attorney will work for olive oil

   / Attorney will work for olive oil #21  
Rox, it's a small world. I lived in Elm Grove in the early 80's with my parents so I'm definitely familiar with the Elm Grove Inn. I saw some local headlines about it closing but had no idea you and your husband were owners. I hope thing go well for you and you can complete the sale.
 
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The roller coaster is still running. We finally got the guy who defaulted to sign off and were rushing so we could accept the offer but since we had started foreclosure it had to be signed off by the judge. The offer expired the Tuesday before Thanksgiving and our defaulted buyer did not get it done in time so we had to wait until after Thanksgiving. So the Monday after Thanksgiving the lawyers were back at it and finally got it done last Wednesday. The lawyer rushes to the court house and guess what? EVERY single judge was out for the rest of the week at a conference for the rest of the week. We are worried if we are going to loose our buyers or not since this is now two weeks since thier offer. The buyers broker assures us they are still solid they really want the place.
This brings us to yesterday, the judges came back and the stipulation gets signed. In the meantime on Friday our lawyer (we have two lawyes one for the foreclosure and our regular lawyer who will handle it from here and sign the offers and close the deal. So our regualr lawyer tells us that he is out fo town on Monday not back until after 5pm... This is so unreal! He signs a blank offer and leaves it with the broker and leaves. So Monday we have no lawyer although the stipulation is signed and we are ready to roll.

We talk with our broker and he says that we may be getting a second offer. We know the guy who was supposedly going to bring the offer. So we had to wait until countering the first guys to see if he really was going to come through or not. Finally about 3:30 in the afternoon I tell our broker, forget it send the first guys the counter offer. The first guys signed our counter offer within an hour however they did a really dumb thing. They signed it but they added one mroe line into the page with the contingencies. They add in that we need to fix the roof, which we were planning on doing anyway. They were told by our broker that we are fixing the roof but they never wrote that into their original offer. However technically once they added that one line about fixing the roof they technically did not accept our counter offer but countered it. Within 30 seconds of them faxing back thier agreement with our counter offer surprise surprise surprise, we did get a second offer. And the second offer is $40,000 more than the first offer plus another hundred thousand down. There is no way the second buyer is not going to not get the financing he is putting 30% down and the property is going to appraise for a heck of a lot more than it is being sold for.

The thing is we really like the first guys more, without going into all the details we feel the first buyers are more motivated to buy and will follow through and close. The second buyer is rock solid as far as the down payment and getting the financing but we do not feel he has the same stong motivation to buy as the first buyers.

Our broker calls the first buyers and tells them that we have another offer, they insist that we have a signed contract and that little line they added in about replacing the roof is not a new point jsut merely a recording of an agreement we had made. Okay so now they are royally p*ssed off they want the place at their orignal offer price and threaten to sue us. I send a nice concilitory e-mail off to the selling broker saying we really do want your buyer to buy but think about it that is $40,000 on the table we are looking at. I say offer us $20,000 more. So they spend today with their attorney and we spend today on the phone and e-mailing with our attorney and the point is really ambigious. They modified our counter offer so technically it was a counter to our counter. What was maddning was that the buyers broker never called us all day today until 3:30pm. He jsut said that their side is still p*ssed off that they had seen their lawyers but nothing was decided. So we decide to treat their counter to our counter as it is and we now respond to it today (this is now the third counter offer) and re write it exactly like the last one but include the roof and raise the price $20,000. So now we'll probably ahve to go all day tomorrow to see if they are goign to take it or not.

Int he meantime since we personally know the secong guy I excahnge a few e-mails about one of his contingencies letting him knwo that we are working on his offer which expires Thursday at midnight. We have certain reasons why we feel the first buyers are mroe motivated and that is who we prefer to sell to. Actually we could sell it right now by accepting the first buyers original offer. So bottom line is I am getting our prefered buyers upset because I can't see walking away from $40,000 without giving them a change to up their offer. Again the problem is they feel they accepted our counter offer and it is a done deal. That is their opinion.

So it is really a big nasty looooong process we are going through. It is quite maddning actually. It is especialy stressful because I'm 7 hours ahead and so I ahve to wait all day long my time and can't work on anything until around 5pm my time. So I get frustrated because I have waited all day Monday my time for the buyers to make contact with us but actually thier time it is only late morning. It has been very stressfull since the first week of October nd it has never let up. As much as I want this jsut to be over with, I am hanging in there becasue I can't see walking away from a $40,000 difference.

I'll let you know how this turns out. Even though you get the offer that is really only the beginning then there are all the inspections, waiting for financing etc. We ahve a ways to go yet. Both buyers are strong very strong buyers but buyer number two we have concerns about I cna't share here. If buyer number one won't pay the $20,000 more we will ahve to decide if we accept their original offer or gamble on buyer number 2. We do have a third buyer we can sell to at any time again solid no problem with the financing hwoever he is not offering as much so we are not pursuing him. But we could go back to him at any time and he will buy it for sure but at a lower price.

I say "I" when really it is my husband's restaurant but truthfully he is in bed by 9pm and he jsut can't stay up to deal with this. He is so exhausted fromt he harvest and a couple other things that he is handling that it is jsut to much so I am basically doing the restaurant sale. If there is somthing I am not willing to make the decision on alone I go wake him up out of a sound sleep and talk with him.

Right after the harvest we got slammed in olrders so we had no chance to take a day off. Today was the first day since October 24th my husband didn't work but rested. When I woke up and saw the rain I was happy because he is spraying the trees and if it was raining I knew he couldn't do it and would be forced to take a day off. Trust me he wants to take a week off but he has a few things to do after the hravest and then he can rest. I never saw my husband work as hard for so long as he did this year. He really stepped up.
 
   / Attorney will work for olive oil #23  
Rox, you're right on target stating the added line is considered another counter offer. Hold your ground and hopefully things will work out. From the sounds of things another $20-$40k will certainly help you and your husband. It is probably worth the risk. Good luck and keep us posted.
 
   / Attorney will work for olive oil #24  
We talk with our broker and he says that we may be getting a second offer. We know the guy who was supposedly going to bring the offer. So we had to wait until countering the first guys to see if he really was going to come through or not. Finally about 3:30 in the afternoon I tell our broker, forget it send the first guys the counter offer. The first guys signed our counter offer within an hour however they did a really dumb thing. They signed it but they added one mroe line into the page with the contingencies. They add in that we need to fix the roof, which we were planning on doing anyway. They were told by our broker that we are fixing the roof but they never wrote that into their original offer. However technically once they added that one line about fixing the roof they technically did not accept our counter offer but countered it. Within 30 seconds of them faxing back thier agreement with our counter offer surprise surprise surprise, we did get a second offer. And the second offer is $40,000 more than the first offer plus another hundred thousand down. There is no way the second buyer is not going to not get the financing he is putting 30% down and the property is going to appraise for a heck of a lot more than it is being sold for.

If I was the first buyer I would be upset.

While legally, at least in NC, they counter offered by writing down "Fix the roof", it was what they should have done in the first place. Since there was a verbal agreement to fix the roof as part of the sale it seems that the fair thing to do is sell to the first buyer, for the agreed price and conditions. Unless the buyer's definition of "fix the roof" differs from the sellers.

But what does "fix the roof" mean? And has it been clearly defined? If you had said we will fix that one little spot on the roof that leaks one drop only when there is one inch of rail but they want the whole roof done with raised seem metal roof to make the place look better then the contract in my mind would have changed. But it depends on what "fix the roof" means.

If I was the buyer I would want to fix the roof myself instead of having the seller do so. How the seller fixes the roof and how I would want the roof fixed may not be equal. :eek::D But that is just me. :D

Later,
Dan
 
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One more update last night I guess it must have been 1:30am our time we finally have a signed contract with the first buyers. They are the ones we wanted anyway. This time instead of doing another written offer they did it verbally (it took 5 counter offers to do the deal). They stayed with their orignal bid but said we don't have to fix the roof. The cost we got for replacing the roof with 30 year dimensional shingles is $8,400. Our friend who sells roofing materials to roofers knows every roofer in Milwaukee and he is managing the re-roof job for us he found the roofer picked out the shingles etc. Ther roofer he picked out is right now re-roofing City Hall in Milwaukee so it is a good roofer plus our firend is going to go inspect the job before he pays them. We have been waiting since early November for the roofers to get to our job. It makes sense because there were jobs ahead of us so nothing we could do about it. Yesterday the first buyers say remove the roof job, same price and we'll buy. Now after waiting weeks and weeks for the roofer to start we have to call him off. However the roofers had started yesterday. They went over shoveld off the roof and had the dumpster set up. The replacement takes place today. Problem is I don't even knwo the name of the roofing company who is doing this and my friend was in a meeting and not answering his cell phone.

After a round of phone calls we convince the buyers to let the roof job go through and just up their bid by $8,400. Plus I am thinking what if their financing falls through our building is sitting there with a leaky roof. The roof needs to be done period so we were glad to finally finish that item. There was a $40,000 difference between the first buyer and the second buyer. The second buyer came up with another $8,400. So we walked away from $31,600 to go with these guys. It is a lot of money however we wanted to be sure it sold adn we feel these guys will work qucikly and agressively to close.

Now more bad news. I told you 2008 sucks! Our accountant has been sending me e-mails saying be sure to close in 2008 and not 2009 you will have sever tax consequences if you don't. I had asked him previously to run a projection and it was that we would have to pay about $30,000 in capital gains. Decide we need to talk again so I call him. It turns out that the IRS considers us taking back the restaurant through foreclosure a taxable event. We ahd amortized our capital gain fromt he sale back in 2001. Every year as we collected the revenue from the sale we paid back that portion in a capitol gain. With us taking possesion back through foreclosure the IRS wants us to pay all the Capital Gain in taxable year 2008. If we sell it in 2009 at a loss, which we will it will be a loss, we will recoup that Capital Gain we paid in 2008 however it will take us for the rest of our lifetime to collect. Our accountant says we will get it back over the course of years and years about 3,000 a year. This really sucks as once we sell the restaurant we would not have to file US taxes any more until we sold some stock or our US Condo. Forever and ever we would end up paying our accountant to do our taxes to collect this 3,000 a year form the iRS. Geesh! I have this information as the final negotiations are going on with the buyers but I say nothing. I already know the buyers are moving very swiftly to get their financing, very swiftly. I say nothing while we are finishing the counter offers etc. Then when that is all done I e-mail our accountant with theri bankers e-mail address adn ask our accountant to send their banker an e-mail laying out how we are going to have to pay an additional $30,000 in Capital gains taxes that will be credited back to us over eyars and year if we don't close this by December 31. I figure it can't hurt, most people are sympathetic to paying taxes. Lay it out for the banker, plus the buyers are getting an SBA loan ask the banker to let the guys at the SBA know and everybody fast track this loan. I ahve no idea if it will work out or not but I gotta give it a shot. I figure I'll let that stew and cook for a bit and if it looks like this is not going to close by December 31 then at the last minute we will sell it and carry the financing with so much down and the balance due in February. I'll have to talk the buyers into this of course, I have a plan on how to do that. The mian thing is these guys are real motivated and want possession as soon as possible so I think they woudl go along with it.

So now I am wrapping up details. I need to pay the plumber for blowing out the pipes etc but I never got a bill. I aksed the plumber to send the bill to our attorney's office so I call the plumber after everything has been signed and he says he is just behind on his billing and has not billed us yet. He also says, "Hey did Frank from local restaurant call you?" "Yeah, that is who we sold it to," I say. When I went into see the plumber he felt bad for my hsuband and myself and said hew would call around for us and spread the word. He specializes in restaurant plumbing he has got a real good business probably 10 plumbers working for him and there isn't a McDonalds or Kentucky Fried Chicken that goes in that he isn't doing the plumbing. Plus regualr restaurants as well not jsut fast food. So he really knows a lot of people. We didn't know it but it was our plumber who brought in the buyers. We promised him olive oil the next time we ship to the states or go over.

Now I work on the sales tax. This has me worried, I want to work it so that the next buyers don't have to pay the previous owners unpaid sales tax. This was a huge hang up in the deal of the foreclosure and I relied on general statements form our attorney, the broker and our accounant but now that I ws free to focus on this issue I decided to go look it up myself. I read case laws etc. it was really boring to read then I decided to go to the Department of Revenue website and see if I could find anything. There it was on page 69 of a .pdf file if e foreclose on the previous owner and after foreclosure do not oeprate the business but sell it the state does not come after us or the next buyers for sales tax. Next I call the Department of Revenue without thinking I would have any luck as our accounant said they would not tell me anything and our attorney said he called and they woudl not talk to him. Now that I read the regulations and find out we are home free for sales tax I decide what the heck, I'll call. I got through right away to the correct person and it turns out what I wanted was a Sales Tax release Letter. All I did was explain it to the revenue guy and gave both corporate names of us and the buyers and he said he would send it out. That is bitter sweet news! That point hung up the dismissal with stipulation of our foreclosue and we could have had this done before Thanksgiving instead of December 10th. This is now especially important since I find out it is going to cost us an extra $30,000 in Capital Gains tax if we don't close by December 31, now I wish we had those days back again. I learned a lesson, I should have not relied on the accountant, the lawyer and the broker, I should have gone and looked up the law myself. Isn't that what old peole say, "So late smart..."

Getting an accepted offer is only the first step adn as you can see we have more challenges ahead but we are going to hang tough and just work the problems as they arise. I cannot wait to end this thread. It reminds me of when AlanB bought his property.
 
   / Attorney will work for olive oil #26  
Rox, can you offer some incentive to the buyer to complete the deal before Dec 31 ???
 
   / Attorney will work for olive oil #27  
We will be praying for you and your situation.

Ron
 
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Rox, can you offer some incentive to the buyer to complete the deal before Dec 31 ???

These guys are already motivated, their last restaurant burned down adn they are basically out of work until they close on another one. Trust me they want to close as fast as possible also. It will be the financing, the bank that will hold us up. I can't offer anything to the bank,

Oh wait! Almost everybody will work for olive oi. My mother came in today from the states and I could not get her to connect to our wireless connection so I called our local computer store, locally owned not a chain, and the owner was over within 3 hours. As I always do I gave a bottle of olive oil for each of the owners, before there were 3 owners now there are 2 , so for 2 bottles of olive oil I got it fixed. I'll have to approach the buyers banker next week with an olive oil deal. We always bring olive oil to our banker. You know you gotta keep your banker happy.

Within the last month we have found an attorney who will work for olive oil, an electrician, the washing machine repair man and today the computer tech. Heck I might as well approach the buyrs banker next week. It can't hurt.
 
   / Attorney will work for olive oil #29  
Yeah, but don't you feel sorry for those of us who have no olive oil (or anything else of value) to trade.:D
 
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Time to update this thread, and I might add it is really about time. I jsut got an e-mail from our Broker that the buyers got their SBA (Small Business Administration) loan approved today pending the appraisal. The appraiser was out on Wednesday so hopefully hopefully within say 2 weeks we should have our funds.

Our friend e-mailed me that the roofers finally finished and he paid them that that item is checked off. We did get a new wrinkle though. Our accountant e-mailed us that he had a bill sent to him in the name of the restaurant from a water company. Hmmm what's that about? So I call and it turns out they are saying that the hotwater heater was replaced in 2007 and it is leased. They also decided on December 9th 2008 to file a UCC. Sigh...

So we now that that to deal with. Our attorney looked over their paperwork and it appears that it is not a lease bt a lain old service agreement so he is checking into that for us. By the time we get done paying off our attorneys (well one did work for olive oil) and accountants and broker I hope there is a little soemthing left for us. But there is nothing you can do about it, I hate to pay for services as much as the next guy but when it comes down to it when we need Professional servicees we use them and pay the bill.

I am certain the property is going to appraise we sold it for 70,000 under even assessed value so nobody ahs any worries about the appraisal. All the inspections ahve been done so the last thing appears to be simply waiting for the appraisal and then the hot waer heater wrinkle.

One bit of other good news is that we have a firm order for our new distributor in Canada for 2 pallets for their first order, and they want me to stack the pallet as tall as possible without risking the integrity of the pallet. On TBN someone asked about knot tying and i read that whole discussion and learned how to tie a truckers knot. So I guarantee you I am going to stack those two pallets to Canada as tall as I can and lash them down with truckers knots.

It is has been very tense over here wondering and waiting. I need ink cartridges to print the back labels and I am waiting so see if the restaurant sale goes through or not. if it goes through I'll order a big supply if it doesn't I would order jsut enough. There is a lot of that going on it our house right now. Really watching our expenses and holding fast.

We did take a risk on our condo in Cannes. We had an offer on that, well it was a verbal offer through the realtor. He called back 3 times wanting to write an offer and we took the chance and said "no" not at this time. It wasn't a full price offer anyway and we took the risk that the restaurant deal would go thorugh. The SBA will give restaurant loans but they want to give them to experienced operators, and our buyers are experienced and the location fo our restaurant is superb so we had a feeling they would get it. Time to exhale a bit.

Next I am going to start a new thread about Hot water heaters to see if our TBM members can help me out with some facts so I know how to deal with this issue.

Oh one ohte bit of good news. Milwaukee magazine is doing a long article on us for thier March issue. The journalst was here in October and they paid for a really top notch photographer to come over. We picked him up from the train last night and had him sleep over and he shot pics all day. We got to see the pics on the display at the back of his camera and they looked pretty good. he also mentioned that the art director of the magazine said that the article was going to be around 4 pages long so that is good. That should certainly give a boost to our olive oil sales in Milwaukee.

I am starting to get in a positive frame of mind, the absolute heroic pilot and the rescue of all the passangers yesterday, the buys loan got 99% approved today and on Tuesday we usher in a new President. Even if you didn't votr for him ou have to feel that we are so far down right now that there is no way to go but up and our new president will lead us onward and upward. Please let's not make this a political discussion as that is not allowed on TBN. I only mention it becaue it is one of the things that is giving me a more positive outlook.
 

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