Auction Crazies

   / Auction Crazies #11  
At long last! A subject that is near and dear to my heart!

I'm an auction nut. (NOT to be confused with an auction cra-zee) I go to as many of them as time will permit. (Got a real good one in two weeks. FFA consignment auction that gets several hundred items every year) I buy anything that sells cheap, recondition it if needed, then re-sell for fun and (maybe) profit. Over the years, it's been a good way to make a few bucks, plus I get to keep trading up with my own equipment.

The last few years have seen the cra-zee's grow in number. There were always a few at every auction. USUALLY, they'd get "spent out" on the first few items, before the auctioneer got to the "good stuff". Well, times have changed. The CRA-ZEE'S now must have better jobs.... They pack more $$$$$$$$ with them . They don't seem to run out as fast as they once did. And the auctioneers have learned a few lessons too. They sell (at least around these parts) the "good stuff" early on in the show, while everyone still has a pocket full of coins. They get some ridiculous prices for what USED to sell for just high prices.

Another "gimmick" that is employed (again, around here, not sure about other areas) is the "Buyers Premium". Usually 10%, it's tacked on to the final sale price. That's the auctioneers take for selling the item. It replaced the once popular "auctioneers commission" (sp). Now when you pay too much, you pay too much +10%, and then any applicable sales tax. This "smoke and mirrors" trick makes the sale price LOOK deceivingly low. But when you head to the cashier to pay out...........BAM!

And then my REAL pet peave. The auctioneers that allow "back bidding", shill bidding, and their employees to bid on items in the sale. I SAY FRAUD! One auction I quit going to, a regular monthly consignment sale, the auctioneer allows dealers to bid up each others items. If it doesn't sell outside the "ring of thieves" that are bidding up the price, he doesn't charge the dealers any commission on that item. They can then bring it back the following month. I've seen items go up for sale 5 or 6 months in a row before they actually "sell". There's a term used when an auction is advertised that I THOUGHT they must follow. ABSOLUTE AUCTION...... (Which I understand to mean an item sells at the sale price, to whoever bids the top dollar, and with no reserve price unless announced before selling that item) Apparently I was wrong.

Obviously, when these guys go to their "auctioneers school", they don't teach "Ethics 101".

OK, Anyone need to borrow my soapbox before I put it away?
 
   / Auction Crazies #12  
Around here we don't have the 10% tacked on, as that is included in the bid price. They have started tacking on the sales tax, however. Another reason I just go to the store to buy, and not the auction (I just go and look around, or occasionally run the price up to a point I would pay for it, and then let the 'crazies' have it /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif ) for what I want. Less 'impulse' buying than at an auction.
I too, don't like the games played with the auctioneer (taking side bids). But, that is what the auction 'is' and another 'reason' I don't go to many.
 
   / Auction Crazies #13  
I just hate that everytime I go to an auction, everything I don't want goes cheap and everything I want someone else bids it up to high for my pocket...
 
   / Auction Crazies #14  
Yeah, but look at all the money you saved............ /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
   / Auction Crazies #15  
FarmwithJunk,
That was a very good primer of what to watch out for.

Thanks

Phil
 
   / Auction Crazies #16  
My father is to blame for my love of auctions. He started taking me to them when I was a youngster. He taught me a few simple rules that I try to this day to follow.

1.) NEVER go to an auction with the sole intention of buying a particular item. You will pay too much with this plan.

2.) NEVER make an opening bid. Let the next sucker start the ball rolling. See where the price is going before getting involved.

3.) Set an acceptable price on each item you're interested in BEFORE the bidding starts. Don't go beyond that price.

4.) No matter what it is, nothing is so scarce that it won't show at another auction someday. Don't think you HAVE to buy something. You'll get another chance.

5.) Consider all the "hidden cost's" when bidding. Do I have a way to haul it home if I buy?. How much sales tax? What about getting it loaded by yourself? Missing parts? What appears to be a bargain can rear it's ugly head as a money pit at a later date.

6.) Be aware of each auctioneers "dirty tricks". They can have you bidding against a "phantom bidder", bidding against your own bid, or a host of other little scams.

7.)Keep a close watch on your items once you.ve "won" the bidding. Once the gavel falls, they're YOUR items. If someone walks off with it, YOU, and not the auctioneer, are left holding the bag.

8.)If possible, go to as many auctions as possible, studying each auctioneer for habits, as well as learning the people he has working the crowd. (Sort of like a coach watching the other teams game films)

9.)This applies more to larger "consignment auctions" as opposed to estate sales and the like. Dealers will bring items to sell. They will run up the bidding on them sometimes. Don't get roped in to competing with someone who isn't seriously bidding to buy.

10.) Final rule. Enjoy the sale, and don't get in to a testosterone war with anyone. Save that for the gym or the golf course. In the end, winning this sort of "war" will empty your wallet, and send you home with something you don't really need as bad as you thought.

Also of note, I try to (on occasion) buy something that my wife might want. Then she doesn't rip me apart for dragging home 3 manure spreaders. /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
   / Auction Crazies #17  
I love auctions too. My bit of advice would be to keep your hands in your pockets if you are not bidding and by all means don't wave at your friend on the other side of the room. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif My biggest questions about auctions is how does my wife know when the best ones are coming up and line up something else we have to do instead? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Chris
 
   / Auction Crazies #18  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( My biggest questions about auctions is how does my wife know when the best ones are coming up and line up something else we have to do instead? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Chris )</font>

When you work out the answer to THAT question, fill us all in....... I'd sure like to know! /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 
   / Auction Crazies #19  
I've been to a few auctions, but never bought anything yet. So far I'm just happy looking at all the stuff.

My dozer is giving me problems with the dyraulics. The mechanics at Case said it would cost $20,000 to replace on pump. If I needed all three replaced it would be $60,000.

This is crazy since I can have it rebuilt for $3,000 if I take it out myself, which I've done before and will again when it gets to that point.

There solution to fixing it was to put it in an auction. The problem only comes up after hours of working it hard, otherwise, it will run strong for anybody to test drive it at an auction.

They said that when somebody buys it at the auction, they are stuck with it, no warrantee, nothing. You get what you bought, working or not.

If they recomend doing that here, I bet everyone is doing it.

Eddie
 
   / Auction Crazies #20  
There's "another rule" I forgot to cover. I don't buy tractors at consignment sales. Implements are a different story. You can look at them and see if there's any major problems. Tractors, 'dozers, combines, and trucks I stay away from UNLESS it's an estate sale, or a "going out of business" sale where I have some faith in the sellers maint. and upkeep "program".

You're absolutely right about auctions being where people fight to get ahold of someone elses problem. /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 

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