@#$%&* B&S. Hard Starting....

[WranglerX]

New fuel line on order.... Funny I could get 10 foot section of line with two filters and 20 hose clamps and with shipping was less than half the price of local auto parts.... Probably know early next week if it is the "fix"...

 

[jaxs]

New fuel line on order.... Funny I could get 10 foot section of line with two filters and 20 hose clamps and with shipping was less than half the price of local auto parts.... Probably know early next week if it is the "fix"...

If that's the fix you can make some quick profit with all that extra hose and clamps.

 

[RandyT]

New fuel line on order.... Funny I could get 10 foot section of line with two filters and 20 hose clamps and with shipping was less than half the price of local auto parts.... Probably know early next week if it is the "fix"...

Don't look at the price of submersible fuel line. Most people don't know that the outer covering on fuel line is not gas proof, and will actually swell and come lose. So the special fuel line what is used to go from the fuel pump to the top of fuel tanks on vehicles is pricey.

 

[jaxs]

Ditto for stainless steel.

 

[WranglerX]

Don't look at the price of submersible fuel line. Most people don't know that the outer covering on fuel line is not gas proof, and will actually swell and come lose. So the special fuel line what is used to go from the fuel pump to the top of fuel tanks on vehicles is pricey.

NOt replacing that because I don't think I can get the suction tube out of this early model tank, parts graphics shows it being held in by a grommet, but I am not seeing it....But good to know.., Anyway its almost 6 feet of hose to get from tank to fuel filter and almost another foot from filter to pump.....

 

[RandyT]

NOt replacing that because I don't think I can get the suction tube out of this early model tank, parts graphics shows it being held in by a grommet, but I am not seeing it....But good to know.., Anyway its almost 6 feet of hose to get from tank to fuel filter and almost another foot from filter to pump.....

Your suction tube in the tank is most likely a hard black plastic that is shrink molded to the elbow fitting. That rubber grommet will pull out with a little wiggling, and most likely the grommet will tear. It may tear anyway while you are trying to get the fuel line off of the tank fitting. Oregon part number is 07-392 but there are other brands plus OEM. Looks like a mushroom with a hole in the center.

The submersible fuel line is used on in tank fuel pump ie EFI engines mostly cars and trucks. Most mowers except for a few have external mounted high pressure pumps. the submersible line used in auto tanks is $36/ft.

 

[WranglerX]

Your suction tube in the tank is most likely a hard black plastic that is shrink molded to the elbow fitting. That rubber grommet will pull out with a little wiggling, and most likely the grommet will tear. It may tear anyway while you are trying to get the fuel line off of the tank fitting. Oregon part number is 07-392 but there are other brands plus OEM. Looks like a mushroom with a hole in the center.

The submersible fuel line is used on in tank fuel pump ie EFI engines mostly cars and trucks. Most mowers except for a few have external mounted high pressure pumps. the submersible line used in auto tanks is $36/ft.

Visual inspection show there is no rubber grommet in tank unless its flush with top of tank and same color as poly tank.... And if I have to pull the suction tube it probably means I have to remove the whole back deck assembly, AAARG and I dont what to have to do that.... More investigation later as I change external fuel lines....

BUT there is alternatives if necessary!!!

 

[RandyT]

Visual inspection show there is no rubber grommet in tank unless its flush with top of tank and same color as poly tank.... And if I have to pull the suction tube it probably means I have to remove the whole back deck assembly, AAARG and I dont what to have to do that.... More investigation later as I change external fuel lines....

BUT there is alternatives if necessary!!!

Deere calls it grommet M132706 It is to the left of the filler on the left tank in the youtube thumbnail and to the right and on the side of the tank on the right.

https://partscatalog.deere.com/jdrc/sidebyside/equipment/65427/referrer/navigation/pgId/184914492

 

[tomplum]

Yep, there's a grommet. Common to find if you need one as it's the same as many others. It isn't a bad idea to inspect the pickup tube and clean the tank, but you haven't had any other runability issues like fuel starvation at low fuel levels, intermittent supply issues or the such have you? FWIW, you don't have to pull the tower and body off this if you don't want to to do it. A 5/16" dowel or stud holds the new and old line together to feed it through and keep the new line clean. Then give the end a quick nip before you slide it on the tube. You can just pull the two body bolts and lift it from the back for more clearance. Take care of the fuel tank though because new ones are crazy priced.

 

[WranglerX]

Only real problem has really been getting fuel to dry carb bowl after machine sets for a while.... That is why thinking bad fuel line (pin hole air leak) so pump has trouble creating enough vacuum to draw fuel...Runs great once started.....

See tank in video, at about 3 minute mark there is old tank without a grommet, just like mine....

New JD tank replacement kit $249...
Aftermarket fake tank kit (probably Chinese) $125...

 

[tomplum]

Well look at that!

 

[MTGreen]

Have you tried adjusting the valves? I always find engines start easier after you adjust the valves

 

[tom3]

One thing I've done to help the fuel supply, seems to make a difference. When you replace that fuel filter get it oriented as vertical as possible so the filter will fill completely and any air will get drawn out the top.

 

[WranglerX]

Does anybody know if you can remove this style fuel pickup and replace it with grommet/bushing (M132706) and later fuel pickup (GY21104)...

 

[Richard001]

Something like this may work, but no information on the size:

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/tnk-ptg#overview

Or maybe this:

https://www.amazon.com/John-Deere-Original-Equipment-AM122215/dp/B00CSBT3OS/ref=pd_bxgy_vft_none_img_sccl_1/145-4294701-8997333?pd_rd_w=s4SHb&content-id=amzn1.sym.7f0cf323-50c6-49e3-b3f9-63546bb79c92&pf_rd_p=7f0cf323-50c6-49e3-b3f9-63546bb79c92&pf_rd_r=GNK3C5NY695P533NF49G&pd_rd_wg=Aq5gr&pd_rd_r=28fdcd71-08e3-4973-8e3e-0e820de21afb&pd_rd_i=B00CSBT3OS&psc=1

 

[tomplum]

Sure. All you would have to do is get a pickup and grommet for a newer version. I'd probably plug the old one and bore a hole in a convenient location. You don't really want to have the tip super close to the bottom as to not pickup debris. That's Deere's fix for those customers that keep picking up debris BTW. On the newer tanks, you can't really clean them well due to the anti- fire whatchamacallit tube below the cap.

 

[RandyT]

Sure. All you would have to do is get a pickup and grommet for a newer version. I'd probably plug the old one and bore a hole in a convenient location. You don't really want to have the tip super close to the bottom as to not pickup debris. That's Deere's fix for those customers that keep picking up debris BTW. On the newer tanks, you can't really clean them well due to the anti- fire whatchamacallit tube below the cap.

The main reason for the fill cap tube is to eliminate contaminating the charcoal canister with raw gas. If you fill the tank to the brim like some people do it will suck raw fuel into the vapor recovery system and permanently brick the charcoal vapor canister, and then then tank won't vent, since the cap/threads are not vented on anything after 2012.

 

[tomplum]

The main reason for the fill cap tube is to eliminate contaminating the charcoal canister with raw gas. If you fill the tank to the brim like some people do it will suck raw fuel into the vapor recovery system and permanently brick the charcoal vapor canister, and then then tank won't vent, since the cap/threads are not vented on anything after 2012.

Makes more sense. Thanks.

 

[WranglerX]

Just may have found the problem.....Removed and replaced fuel line between tank and fuel filter.... Put a little air pressure to it once I had it out and yes it leaks...

 

[goeduck]

Good job!