B32xx advice

[Smf834]

New used here. Is the b3200 too much machine for the new user? How does it differ from L2501 from a user standpoint?

which one will cost more on the used market? If all things equal?

 

[Roadworthy]

I don't know if any machine is too much machine for a new user. That would depend more on its intended use and how large the property is. The B series has a smaller frame than the L series. For an in between Kubota came up with the LX series which is essentially the larger frame B tractors. The B3200 probably has a front PTO to run a mowing deck or belly mower like a riding mower. It will have a standard rear PTO as well. The L2501 offers only the standard rear PTO. The L2501 does weigh more and is more a small field tractor. Since it is just under 25 horsepower the L2501 has no computer and no diesel particulate filter. It's a basic tractor. The early B3200 would also have had no DPF though the last ones made probably did.

TractorData.com Kubota B3200 tractor information

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TractorData.com Kubota L2501 tractor information

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[Smf834]

Is the dpf that much of a detriment? Would you pass on one because of it?

 

[jeff9366]

New used here. Is the b3200 too much machine for the new user?

Kubota B series tractors weigh about 1,700 pounds, bare tractor. This is the lightest category of tractors with 12" of ground clearance. I consider a Kubota B series tractor suitable for use over 1 - 5 flat acres. Kubota B series tractors almost always come with a mid-PTO to power a mid-mount-mower. (MMM). Kubota Bs can be a little tippy, which should be considered if your land is sloped or uneven.

How does it differ from L2501 from a user standpoint?

Kubota L2501 weighs about 2,700 pounds, bare tractor. I consider a Kubota L2501 suitable for use over 1 - 10 acres. The L2501 does NOT come with a mid-PTO. A mid-PTO can be vulnerable under the machine when doing heavy work. Many purchase the L2501 because its horsepower rating is just below the threshold requiring Tier IV emission controls.

A wider, heavier L2501 is a considerably more stable platform relative to a Kubota B.

Bare tractor weight defines the capability of a tractor more accurately than any other single tractor specification.


Is the dpf that much of a detriment? Would you pass on one because of it?

No matter how many passionate replies you receive to this question you will learn nothing of use.

Determine if the B3200 you are considering does, or does not have a DPF.
90% or more of B3200s would not.

 

[Smf834]

Thanks for the advice. I have 5 ac of uneven wooded area that the tractor will work on, grading, brush clearing, up and down hill moving feed/hay, moving tree trunks etc..

I was looking at the bx2380, 25hp, 1500lbs, a bit smaller than the b3200. If the b3200 extra power/weight is beneficial, i could spring for $$ for it

 

[jeff9366]

I have 5 ac of uneven wooded area that the tractor will work on, grading, brush clearing, up and down hill moving feed/hay, moving tree trunks etc..

I recommend a 4-WD L2501 over any 'B' for your conditions and applications. If you are dead, you cannot enjoy a tractor.

 

[jeff9366]

Is the DPF that much of a detriment? Would you pass on a used tractor because of DPF?

Stricter Tier IV off-road diesel engine emission reduction standards phased in on dealer tractor inventory 2009-2012, impacting tractor prices.

Tier IV emission standards require tractor manufacturers to add or revise pollution reduction technology on new tractors generating over 19 kW power = 25.4794 horsepower.

DPF is used by the majority of tractor manufactures for more powerful tractors, but not all.

It is fact that Tier IV technology complicates the engine package and contributes a significant cost factor.

Diesel Particulate Filter (DPF) captures exhaust particulates (soot) in a ceramic matrix. When tractor engine runs sufficiently hot, accumulated particulates burn off periodically without operator intervention. If engine is not run continuously hot long enough to burn off particulates, diesel soot accumulates in the matrix. Once heavy soot accumulates in DPF the tractor forces soot clearance with the tractor parked and throttle open to about 2,200 rpm for about sixteen minutes, which makes the DPF REALLY HOT to burn off all accumulated soot. Burning off accumulated soot, either during operation or parked is called REGENERATION.

Regeneration is an infrequent DPF event with my Kubota three cylinder, 37-horsepower engine. Generally once every sixty engine hours. (Very consistent in Florida due to warm weather.)

The pollutants emitted by a Tier IV technology tractor are about 1% of the pollutants emitted by a pre-Tier IV tractor.

L2501 is one of Kubota's highest unit volume models. It is also a legally dirty bugger.
Kubota's L3301 is the same tractor with eight additi onal horsepower and Tier IV paraphernalia. Your money, your choice.

 

[SDT]

Is the dpf that much of a detriment? Would you pass on one because of it?

Yes.

Expensive and sometimes problematic, especially on B models.

SDT

 

[jeff9366]

YOOPER DAVE

Tier IV Emissions Confusion​

Are new tractors with <25hp Tier IV emission exempt ?

The demarcation is 19 kW engine power output = 25.4794 horsepower.

While Tier IV exempt, tractors with <25.4794 horsepower comply with relatively loose Tier II emission requirements.



Some mfrs note no pollution filter is needed, but tier 4 compliant.

Most manufactures can meet Tier IV requirements without a Diesel Particulate Fillter up to about 27 horsepower on low displacement engines which reached max horsepower at somewhat high revs, via engine design and injection timing.

Then there is a horsepower gap.

Beginning about thirty-three horsepower most tractors have Diesel Particulate Filters.
If there is no DPF there is an alternative incendiary technology to burn off very fine particulates (soot). Sometimes exhaust heat is elevated all the time, sometimes periodically.
Diesel particulates must be burned. THERE IS NO FREE LUNCH.

Tire wear and tire replacement will cause as many headaches and more expense than DPF for most long term compact tractor owners who comprehend their tractor's Operator's Manual and follow DPF procedures.

Many small property users regenerate only once per year. This creates regeneration procedure uncertainty in itself. (Regeneraton occurs every ~~60 engine hours. Non-commercial users average 60 - 80 total engine hours per year.)