B6200 fueled with gasoline instead of diesel... How screwed am I?

   / B6200 fueled with gasoline instead of diesel... How screwed am I? #1  

jiggseob

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Kubota B6200 HST
Tractor: 1987 B6200 HST, D850 3cyl 15hp engine, Allied loader, ~2800 hours.

Against my better judgement, I loaned it to a neighbour to use the loader to move some snow and crap from his horsebarn. I don't usually loan-out stuff, but this fellow is a decent guy, and always helps everyone, so I was OK helping him. I loaded the tractor on my trailer, took it over to his place, took the ratchet straps off, and left him to it. I asked him not to worry about fueling it, I'd rather he left it empty. He did about 6 hours of work, and drove it back on the trailer. Then, he shut it off, and then filled it (from about 1/8 tank) with gasoline - I found that out later.

I went over, put the ratchet straps on and brought it home. I started it up to take it off trailer, as I started it I noted the fuel guage was at full, the fellow had filled it for me. Before I got the grease-gun on the first loader zerk, the engine started running funny, and pulled the fuel shutoff out and shut it down. Maybe a minute of running at a high-idle.

The neighbour is in his late 70's, and at this point there is nothing to gain by riling him up over an honest mistake. He really is a gem of a fellow, and I'm not even going to tell him, because he will try and pay for stuff and I don't want that.

My question is, with about a minute of running, how bad is what going to be damaged? It would have started on pure diesel, then used up the diesel in the filter and slowly cut over to 90-10 gasoline. Was the "funny running" because the 90-10 fuel was burning differently, or was it because the injection pump had turned to dust inside? Anyone have any experience with this nature of screw-up, and what it will take to make it better?

The only similar experience I have is a late-80's Volkswagen diesel fueled with gasoline, to make that better it was simply flush it and re-fill with diesel no harm done. But that was a Bosch VE Vertilier pump. The D850 Kubota pump looks like a Nippon-Denso inline pump.

Advice appreciated.

Thanks, Mathew Banack, Round Hill, Alberta, Canada
 
   / B6200 fueled with gasoline instead of diesel... How screwed am I? #2  
No problem. Siphon the gasoline out and fill it up with diesel. Itll straighten right out. My wife did the same with our L2550 and went back to working it. It started knocking so she stopped quick. That was 1000+ hrs ago.
 
   / B6200 fueled with gasoline instead of diesel... How screwed am I? #3  
Tractor: 1987 B6200 HST, D850 3cyl 15hp engine, Allied loader, ~2800 hours.

Against my better judgement, I loaned it to a neighbour to use the loader to move some snow and crap from his horsebarn. I don't usually loan-out stuff, but this fellow is a decent guy, and always helps everyone, so I was OK helping him. I loaded the tractor on my trailer, took it over to his place, took the ratchet straps off, and left him to it. I asked him not to worry about fueling it, I'd rather he left it empty. He did about 6 hours of work, and drove it back on the trailer. Then, he shut it off, and then filled it (from about 1/8 tank) with gasoline - I found that out later.

I went over, put the ratchet straps on and brought it home. I started it up to take it off trailer, as I started it I noted the fuel guage was at full, the fellow had filled it for me. Before I got the grease-gun on the first loader zerk, the engine started running funny, and pulled the fuel shutoff out and shut it down. Maybe a minute of running at a high-idle.

The neighbour is in his late 70's, and at this point there is nothing to gain by riling him up over an honest mistake. He really is a gem of a fellow, and I'm not even going to tell him, because he will try and pay for stuff and I don't want that.

My question is, with about a minute of running, how bad is what going to be damaged? It would have started on pure diesel, then used up the diesel in the filter and slowly cut over to 90-10 gasoline. Was the "funny running" because the 90-10 fuel was burning differently, or was it because the injection pump had turned to dust inside? Anyone have any experience with this nature of screw-up, and what it will take to make it better?

The only similar experience I have is a late-80's Volkswagen diesel fueled with gasoline, to make that better it was simply flush it and re-fill with diesel no harm done. But that was a Bosch VE Vertilier pump. The D850 Kubota pump looks like a Nippon-Denso inline pump.

Advice appreciated.

Thanks, Mathew Banack, Round Hill, Alberta, Canada
I seriously doubt you did any major damage. It ran funny because the gasoline was basically "knocking" in the combustion chamber. It was detonating too quickly because of the high compression ratio of your diesel engine. I doubt your injection pump would be destroyed by a minute of running time. I had a diesel powered Ford Escort and they recommended a certain percentage of gas in the tank when the weather got cold (i.e. below zero). IIRC it was no more than 10% gas. So a little gas is likely not harmful.

I'd advise you to drain the tank and as much of the lines and filter as you can, and fill it with good fuel. If you are really worried, disconnect the lines at the injectors and purge them of any gas. Bleed the fuel system and start it and let it run until it runs correctly.
 
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   / B6200 fueled with gasoline instead of diesel... How screwed am I? #5  
Drain your tank out, remove your fuel filter(s), remove the fuel line from the injector pump and get as much gas out as possible.
Install a new filter and get the system bleed to the inlet of the fuel pump, loosen the lines to the injectors and crank her over till you have purged as much gas as possible. And go for it.
 
   / B6200 fueled with gasoline instead of diesel... How screwed am I? #6  
Follow the advice from some of the posters here, you`ll be ok

I have a rule, don`t touch my wife, or my equipment. I`ll take care of both myself.
 
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   / B6200 fueled with gasoline instead of diesel... How screwed am I? #7  
I have had the same experience with a 79 VW diesel. My wife filled it with gas and got nearly home before it chugged and quit. Luckily it was downhill to the house and I shoved it maybe 1/4 mile to home and coasted in the driveway. The 79 VW originally came with owner's manual instructions to use 10% gasoline in very cold (below 10 degree) weather. Then GM (running diesel Olds in those days) did research and found that a gas/diesel mixture was an 'unsafe fire hazard' (which puzzled me) but the whole auto industry went away from recommending gas/diesel mixtures.

OK, back to your circumstance: In my opinion there is no need to go to all the trouble in post #5 -- no reason to do all that if you can start it. If you get as much of the gasoline out as possible via syphon and fill it full with #2 you will be fine. It will just take a while to run out the high concentration of gas. Once it begins to run smooth you are past the problem. Any residual gasoline in places like filters simply gets diluted and absorbed as more and more and more fuel passes through. Probably cleans out some crud in places... though I would never do it on purpose.
 
   / B6200 fueled with gasoline instead of diesel... How screwed am I?
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Its time for a fuel filter change anyways. I think the fuel filter is going-on 10 years / 150 hrs since last change. So I will change filter. In doing that, I will drain tank through the filter housing.

Is the fuel system on this unit totally gravity? I do not see any sort of lift-pump anywhere. Or is it like a Bosch VE pump where a vane type transfer pump is built onto the injection pump?

A bit of research finds the Kubota D850 engine is equipped with a "Bosch K-type mini pump" what ever that is. I couldn't find a parts breakdown on the K-type pump, so no indication that there is a transfer pump built on.

Very relieved to hear there is strong probability that drain, flush a bit will get me going again. I had heard of a MF 1135 with Perkins 354 and CAV rotary pump that was trashed-out/needed $2k pump overhaul from a 25% gasoline mis-fuel.

I'm with TractorTYme above:
Rule #1 if someone needs my equipment, I run it
Rule #2 don't fudge with rule #1, no matter how "good and saintly" someone is.
 
   / B6200 fueled with gasoline instead of diesel... How screwed am I? #9  
in terms of loaning equipment, when i get requests, i say sure, you can borrow my tractor with driver (me) anytime. this way you can be generous & respectful of your own equipment at the same time. agree just to drain the contaminated fuel. regards,
 
   / B6200 fueled with gasoline instead of diesel... How screwed am I? #10  
It's a shame that giving in on a personal rule bit you on the ass. But yeah, some careful draining and a new filter, with a slow start should put you right back on the hour meter. A B6200 is not a highly stressed engine to begin with, so that's in your favor, too.
 
 
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