b7100 hst hsd?

[maddog8211]

Hi everyone, first post here, read about every one posted about the b7100. Neighbor has a 1994 b7100 with 180 hrs on it with a few implements, tractor is like new, but has no loader. Kubota doesnt make one anymore and have been looking at Koyker. Talking to the closest Koyker dealer he told me that the loader will not fit on a HSD model, only the HST. My question is, what is the difference. On the hood the decal says HST, however down below it says HSD, but another ID says HSt-D. I dont want to buy this tractor if I cant put a loader on it. Anyone know how to make a definate identification. Tried comparing pictures on tractorhousecom but I cant tell any difference from the photos...thanks for any help

 

[Bird]

HST simply means a hydrostatic transmission. So they made an HST HSE (2-wheel drive) and an HST HSD (4-wheel drive). I think that's the only difference in the two. I bought a new 1995 B7100 HSD (it had both labels, just as you mentioned, and of course was 4-wheel drive as is the one you're looking at) and had the Kubota B1630C front end loader. A different Kubota dealer was selling new Kubotas at the time with Koyker loaders which he claimed to like better, but he didn't gave a reason. I suspected that he made a little more profit on the Koyker loaders, but as far as I know they're good loaders.

And welcome to Tractorbynet.

 

[Sherweld]

I have an older gear B7100 which I recently fitted with a FEL (Westendorf TA55) (which I like very much BTW)

But my point is that most manufacturers will be more than happy to tell you whether their loader will work or not on your particular tractor as virtually all loaders must be adapted to a particular tractor with a variety of parts to form a subframe etc.

Also, based on a lot of searching I did recently, you might be able to determine accurate application information directly on a mfr's website. (Koyker, Westendorf, Bush Hog, etc) When I got right down to it working out the final details of the parts needed to make everything go together, I found the manufacturer's customer service to be more than helpful.

Before that, I had a Kubota dealer look me in the eye and swear that it would be impossible to find a FEL which would work on a tractor the age of mine.

Best of luck and welcome
Sherweld

 

[grossgary]

i'm fairly certain a B7100 FEL will fit yours, particularly if it's for a 4WD B7100.

not sure but the subframe mounts may differ in some cases...most likely just 2WD to 4WD though?? so yours being 4WD, it should work.

can anyone verify for sure that 2WD FEL's don't fit on 4WD B7100's?

do the FEL's get in the way at all while mowing or add enough weight to slow it down? I use mine as my mower so it's not worth it to me if it slows down mowing at all.

 

[Egon]

The FEL and MMM must be compatible. Otherwise the components of either could get in the way of each other.

Looking at a B7100 HST four wheel drive [ or is it assist ?? ] there really should be no difference in loader fitting.? To the best of my knowledge which can be challenged.

 

[Rusty]

do the FEL's get in the way at all while mowing or add enough weight to slow it down? I use mine as my mower so it's not worth it to me if it slows down mowing at all.

I tried mowing with the FEL attached to my B7500, ONCE. Slowed me down considerably as I have many trees and other obstacles to mow near and/or around. Missed taking the mailbox post off by about two inches. Now, the FEL is always off to mow. The practice taking the FEL on/off has been good for me anyway.

 

[KubotainNH]

As Egon says the loader and MMM must be compatible. My B6100 has a B1630 loader, my manual says only the B1630C is compatible with a MMM. This loader seems to be the standard on these little tractors so maybe you can locate a used one.

 

[B2400]

The koyker website shows the model 120 FEL as being compatible for a B7100 with "front wheel assist and no cab". The site did NOT mention compatability with an MMM..

 

[Bird]

The koyker website shows the model 120 FEL as being compatible for a B7100 with "front wheel assist and no cab". The site did NOT mention compatability with an MMM..

And did you notice that the same model is listed for the 2-wheel drive? If I couldn't get an OEM Kubota loader; i.e., the B1630C loader, I think that Koyker is the way I'd want to go.

 

[radman1]

I use to have a B7100 with a Westendorf loader. Great little tractor. One of the best made. Can't remember the model number of the loader. Westendorf makes a very good loader. Probably a little more expensive than Koyker. Mine was gear drive with 4WD.

 

[Sherweld]

Regarding mowing with or without a FEL, in my opinion would depend entirely on your situation as to terrain, obstacles etc. My previous B7100 had a FEL which was not demountable, and I mowed quite a bit with a heavy Woods brush hog with no problem. However it was all pretty much out in the open, and often hilly. The only minus might have been somewhat limited visibility.

On the other hand, several times as I recall, the loader was a real definite asset in being able to lay down brush and blackberries ahead of the tractor and mower as well as balancing that heavy mower.

And last point, just checked the Westendorf web site and they do apparently offer an alternate FEL subframe for a B7100 using a belly mower because the "normal" subframe to reinforce the tractor chassis would interfere.

Regards
Sherweld

 

[maddog8211]

Thanks for the responses. I really like the simplicity of the tractor, no frills and extras to go wrong, and NO PLASTIC! Here is the deal, 1994 b7100hst with 180 hrs, a 5x11 single axle trailer, 35" rototiller, 4' box blade, 5' rear blade. 2 filter kits and manuals for tractor and all extras. Everything looks brand new and is name brand, wife is selling for husband who has alzheimers and obviously cant use it anymore. $6,000 for all. Hard to put a value on these things, and I know its not a steal. She says if she cant get 6k for it all then the boy will get it with the property when they pass. Been pricing this stuff and if I had to buy it the trailer would cost around $700, good used rototillers are tough to find, value $1000, box blade $400, rear blade $300. When I look at it this way it seems a fair value, but with the price of a loader I would be into it for around 9k, which seems high. Im sure I would be happy with it, just want to use it for light landscaping and driveway maintenance and gardening. But I could probably get more tractor with same amount of money with no implements and probably a lot more hours. Thanks for any thoughts, answers or opinions.

 

[Sherweld]

Okay, I'll stick my $.02 in here

Personally I'd be all over it. But that's just me.

I previously had a B7100 (gear) I bought new in 1978, took good care of it for over 4000 hard operating hours. Never had any issues with it that I would blame on the tractor. And absolutely no issues at all with the engine or power train.

To my everlasting regret, sold it in 1997 (retiring and moving) for a lot more than I paid new. So this year (2008) located an identical model with about 2000 hrs, for the right price, and have been bringing it up to date with FEL, new tires etc.

In my recent search, I looked at lots of machines and prices, and here in the NW, $6000 for what you describe with virtually brand new hours, would be a very good deal indeed.

IMHO the B7100 was one of the best and toughest small tractors made