Mike_Lipke
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Yup. I like to use things that have 3rd party testing to back up manufacturer's claims.
Such as API.
Such as API.
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MikePA
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Not liking how Amsoil is marketed is one thing, making false statements about Amsoil is something entirely different.
1. You can buy Amsoil online, directly from the Amsoil store. So, if you have access to the Internet, you can buy it. No need to find a local dealer.
2. Amsoil DOES meet API specifications and has since 1972.
Note, I am NOT saying Amsoil is a better oil, worth the extra money, etc., nor am I a dealer. I simply do not understand the irrational hatred of Amsoil. If you don't like it, then don't buy it. Simple as that.
ANY oil, ANY oil, that meets (or exceeds) the API specifications mentioned in an Owner's Manual is OK to use. No need to check with a dealer or anyone else to confirm this.
Some people want to buy the least expensive oil that meets the correct API specification. Others want to spend more for either a better dino oil or more for a synthetic oil.
1. You can buy Amsoil online, directly from the Amsoil store. So, if you have access to the Internet, you can buy it. No need to find a local dealer.
2. Amsoil DOES meet API specifications and has since 1972.
Note, I am NOT saying Amsoil is a better oil, worth the extra money, etc., nor am I a dealer. I simply do not understand the irrational hatred of Amsoil. If you don't like it, then don't buy it. Simple as that.
ANY oil, ANY oil, that meets (or exceeds) the API specifications mentioned in an Owner's Manual is OK to use. No need to check with a dealer or anyone else to confirm this.
Some people want to buy the least expensive oil that meets the correct API specification. Others want to spend more for either a better dino oil or more for a synthetic oil.
Sully2
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Not liking how Amsoil is marketed is one thing, making false statements about Amsoil is something entirely different.
1. You can buy Amsoil online, directly from the Amsoil store. So, if you have access to the Internet, you can buy it. No need to find a local dealer.
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But who in gods name wants to HAVE TO either buy it from a sales rep OR online ONLY??
If the product was only half as good as its touted to be...it would be available at every truck stop and WalMart in the USA!
1. You can buy Amsoil online, directly from the Amsoil store. So, if you have access to the Internet, you can buy it. No need to find a local dealer.
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But who in gods name wants to HAVE TO either buy it from a sales rep OR online ONLY??
If the product was only half as good as its touted to be...it would be available at every truck stop and WalMart in the USA!
skent
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a local autoparts chain in the baltimore area stocks amsoil right next to shell, quaker state, and mobil. i'm sure others do too.
Sully2
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( a local autoparts chain in the baltimore area stocks amsoil right next to shell, quaker state, and mobil. i'm sure others do too. )</font>
Ok...so "a local parts place" in YOUR area stocks it?..So? Its not at Pep Boys ( at least not here) its not at WalMart...as far as I know..ANYWHERE...and how many Flying J; Petro; T/A..etc truck stops can you find it at??...NONE to my knowledge!
If people here and elsewhere want to use it and run it...FINE..it dont matter to me...but Id NEVER "recommend it" to anyone until it was a choice of Amsoil or running dry!
Ok...so "a local parts place" in YOUR area stocks it?..So? Its not at Pep Boys ( at least not here) its not at WalMart...as far as I know..ANYWHERE...and how many Flying J; Petro; T/A..etc truck stops can you find it at??...NONE to my knowledge!
If people here and elsewhere want to use it and run it...FINE..it dont matter to me...but Id NEVER "recommend it" to anyone until it was a choice of Amsoil or running dry!
SeymourBota
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Mike- I think you hit the nail on the head. Many years ago, when I wanted to start using synthetics, I avoided Amsoil for the same ridiculous reasons. Used Mobil 1 instead. Then I learned that less than 10% of my "synthetic" Mobil 1 was truly synthetic and the rest was 'carrier oil'. I definitely felt mislead. Now, I know that Mobil 1 is different now and the standards for labeling synthetics have been regulated by court cases.
I finally tried Amsoil and had a better experience with it than any others. Everything from my B & BX Kubotas to performance cars and HD trucks.
When you buy that cheap quart of Valvoline or any other brand, how many markups do you think it has been through?? What makes them any different from profit on Amsoil products??
I finally tried Amsoil and had a better experience with it than any others. Everything from my B & BX Kubotas to performance cars and HD trucks.
When you buy that cheap quart of Valvoline or any other brand, how many markups do you think it has been through?? What makes them any different from profit on Amsoil products??
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Yup, same story with Castrol's crummy Syntec Group III hydrocracked claiming to be "synthetic", at least Amsoil is 100% Group IV PAO basestock.
SeymourBota
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Yup, same story with Castrol's crummy Syntec Group III hydrocracked claiming to be "synthetic", at least Amsoil is 100% Group IV PAO basestock. )</font>
Actually, I tried Syntec after Mobil 1 and felt shafted again- just like you said!!! That was what made me decide to go to Amsoil. I also think Royal Purple is a good choice and Redline probably is too, but it is a different type of animal.
Actually, I tried Syntec after Mobil 1 and felt shafted again- just like you said!!! That was what made me decide to go to Amsoil. I also think Royal Purple is a good choice and Redline probably is too, but it is a different type of animal.
CT_Tree_Guy
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Good lord ....
I forgot to put into my last post my usual caveat that I do NOT intend to, or want to, start a dino vs. synthetic debate, or any other type of "oil war".
But since one is erupting, I would first just like to say that there might be some confusion between AmSOIL and AmWAY. There is no connection between the two. I bought my Amsoil at my local NAPA store, who has been selling it for years. If you were to call them and tell them what you've just said here, they would strongly disagree with you.
I really don't have time for this, but I share the same puzzlement that others have expressed over the hatred for Amsoil. I think that a rational, scientific examination of all of the information available on the subject of lubricants will come away with the conclusion that there are SOME indisputable benefits to using good synthetic oils over dino oil. As I said, I have become convinced that cold weather performance and added protection in case of overheating are two of those benefits. Are these benefits, IF they exist, worth the extra expense involved? Very hard to say, and I'm not saying that they are. Am I trying to convince others of the conclusions that I have reached for myself? Not exactly. Am I trying to give an opinion that I think might be of some value to other owners of diesel-powered vehicles, with the proviso that I don't know everything, and could be wrong? Yes.
Dino oils like Rotella, Delvac, Pennzoil, Amalie, and many others have been protecting diesel engines extremely well for a long, long time. Billions of miles probably. With study after study documenting excellent results. I come not to bury dino oil, but to praise some of the equally well-documented advantages of synthetic oils. There are some advantages, there is no doubt in my mind about it. There are a lot of guys much smarter than I who spend lots of their hard-earned money on it. I encourage people to read all of the excellent posts by GSXR1100. He is not a stupid man, far from it. Talk to some in the racing world, whose livelihoods depend on crossing the finish line. I don't have the facts at my fingertips, but I'm going to go out on a limb here and bet $.05 that most of them use synthetic oil. If so, are they just wasting their money?
Again, to each his own, I'm just trying to share what I have found for myself to be true, because I think it might help others. That's about all there is to it. That's my agenda.
Lastly, and perhaps most importantly - just as I would not put down John Deere tractors as being suitable only for pulling manure spreaders, I would not suggest that someone else's oil of choice is suitable only for starting bonfires. Remarks like that have no place in this forum, or anywhere else. Let's all try to be polite and respectful of one another - I do believe that is Rule Number 1 on this forum's code of conduct.
May all our engines outlive us all, whatever oil we use, and may we all continue to respect each others' choices.
John D.
I forgot to put into my last post my usual caveat that I do NOT intend to, or want to, start a dino vs. synthetic debate, or any other type of "oil war".
But since one is erupting, I would first just like to say that there might be some confusion between AmSOIL and AmWAY. There is no connection between the two. I bought my Amsoil at my local NAPA store, who has been selling it for years. If you were to call them and tell them what you've just said here, they would strongly disagree with you.
I really don't have time for this, but I share the same puzzlement that others have expressed over the hatred for Amsoil. I think that a rational, scientific examination of all of the information available on the subject of lubricants will come away with the conclusion that there are SOME indisputable benefits to using good synthetic oils over dino oil. As I said, I have become convinced that cold weather performance and added protection in case of overheating are two of those benefits. Are these benefits, IF they exist, worth the extra expense involved? Very hard to say, and I'm not saying that they are. Am I trying to convince others of the conclusions that I have reached for myself? Not exactly. Am I trying to give an opinion that I think might be of some value to other owners of diesel-powered vehicles, with the proviso that I don't know everything, and could be wrong? Yes.
Dino oils like Rotella, Delvac, Pennzoil, Amalie, and many others have been protecting diesel engines extremely well for a long, long time. Billions of miles probably. With study after study documenting excellent results. I come not to bury dino oil, but to praise some of the equally well-documented advantages of synthetic oils. There are some advantages, there is no doubt in my mind about it. There are a lot of guys much smarter than I who spend lots of their hard-earned money on it. I encourage people to read all of the excellent posts by GSXR1100. He is not a stupid man, far from it. Talk to some in the racing world, whose livelihoods depend on crossing the finish line. I don't have the facts at my fingertips, but I'm going to go out on a limb here and bet $.05 that most of them use synthetic oil. If so, are they just wasting their money?
Again, to each his own, I'm just trying to share what I have found for myself to be true, because I think it might help others. That's about all there is to it. That's my agenda.
Lastly, and perhaps most importantly - just as I would not put down John Deere tractors as being suitable only for pulling manure spreaders, I would not suggest that someone else's oil of choice is suitable only for starting bonfires. Remarks like that have no place in this forum, or anywhere else. Let's all try to be polite and respectful of one another - I do believe that is Rule Number 1 on this forum's code of conduct.
May all our engines outlive us all, whatever oil we use, and may we all continue to respect each others' choices.
John D.
Sully2
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The Amsoil lovers on the BB are certainly free to make their own choices...but that STILL will not make me USE Amsoil...NOR will I ever recommnd it to anyone!
As far as Im concerned..thats the end of it.
As far as Im concerned..thats the end of it.