B7800

[JT1972]

You have your opinion. Guess I would tend to disagree with most of what you have said below.

- Looking at the specifications of each unit tend to dispute your findings. PTO HP is the measure of how efficient the drivelines are and how much power each machine is generating. Since the NH is converting more of its engine HP to PTO HP by 2 additional HP, it lends itself it will have more overall power. I would suggest bushhogging with each to get a true measure of the power.

- Both of these units have the traditional dog-legged loader, so saying the visibility out of either of them is superior over the other is bogus.

- I think that as you are shopping, the majority of tractors aren't going to be too powerful at low idle, that is why they have the recommended RPM's for operating equipment. Just like your car, if you don't push on the gas pedal, your not going very fast.

- As far as the loader lift capacity, take a look at the B7800 bucket, let me know if that bucket is going to hold a 1000lbs. After that, the B7800 weighs about 400lbs less than the TC30, let me know if you are able to keep the back of the tractor on the ground.

- As far as where you are getting your information, NH has had a joint venture with Shabura for over 20 years. All of three major brands are manufactured in Japan. Deere, Kubota, as well as New Holland. The japanese do a good job regardless of the brand and I think you will find that the overall reliability of three brands is very good.

 

[Bob_Skurka]

Just to throw another .02 cents worth of stuff in the pile for you to consider, I use a B2910, which is the deluxe version of the B7800, I also use a New Holland TC24, so while it is a different model than the TC30, I do have experience with the brand, and I've played with the TC30.

Generally I like the small TCs better than the B class Kubotas, but I'm not a big fan of the TC30. It is a well made machine, time proven, reliable, but not the most comfortable and not the best in terms of ergonomics. For a 'basic' tractor, it fits the bill, but I have a hard time giving it many real compliments.

Now the B7800 is not nearly as nice as the B2910 (which was just replaced this year by the B3030) but as far as comfort and layout goes, I think it beats a TC30. A nice suspension seat and extendable lower link arms are both lacking and I wouldn't really want to give those up, but very few economy tractors offer those things. I believe the lever layout is more comfortable on the B7800. What I don't like is the view over the hood.

Here is a photo comparision showing the TC24 versus the B2910. The B7800 has almost exactly the same dimentions as the B2910. Now the TC30 is just as bad, in terms of view, so don't compare it to the NH in this photo. Photo Comparision of Visibility

 

[grizzjeeper]

JT.

Shabura engines are made in Japan, Frames and axles are from India for what its worth. I also said that may not apply but simply be weary of weight vs strength. I know weight does have advantages in a tractor.

Point is on paper the TC30 looked better to me, thats why I I originally set out to look at that. I love the new style NH but couldnt afford it.

I don't know how you could even argue with me on visability.. I TRIED THEM BACK TO BACK.. it was a no brainer.. plus no cruise on the hst. And umm yeah I dont care what the pto HP numbers say, I tell you go drive them back to back.. you will know what I am talking about.

I think a more fair comparison is the l2800 to the TC30, The 2800 is the same price as the 7800 but larger platform. Only downfall is no mid pto (if you need one).

Have you looked at the L2800 HST?

 

[esqn1000]

J48,

I was also in the same boat, compared both the B7800 and the TC30. Best advice is to sit on them both, drive them both, and see how they feel to you. Bottom line, I thought the TC30 was too 'basic' and did not fit me very well. I also thought the sheetmetal was too thin and felt/heard a lot more vibration than the B7800. So while power/capabilities were comparable, it just didn't feel the same to me.

Other factors including dealer and price (TC30 was ~2K more for the same setup, although I didn't spend a lot of time trying to dicker the price down) also are important to consider. The Kubota dealer is 5mi from my land, and has a great reputation for service and support after the sale. The guy who delivered and setup my tractor lives just two miles up my road and offered to stop by anytime I needed help learning to remove/install FEL, etc, and left his home phone number. The NH dealer is about 25mi away and I was not as impressed with the sales or service people there.

I wound up going with an L3400HST, FEL, and 5' cutter - same price I was quoted for TC30.

Finally, I don't know JT2972 - but it sounds a lot more like he is trying to sell you a tractor than help you make an informed decision.

Good luck with your search - it's really a lot of fun, isn't it.

 

[tralderman]

Very well done JT1972. You've cut-and-pasted every bullet point out of the NH literature just like they taught you. BUT, you forget one thing. The people who read this forum were not born yesterday.
Your arguments about cast iron housings being better and more durable fall on deaf ears here and your arguments that heavier is better just don't fly at TBN. You are never going to convince these fellas that Kubota is some how inferior to New Holland no matter how many facts you regurgitate.
I am a full line CaseIH dealer and I "could" sell the CaseIH FARMALL if I chose to but I don't. And as everybody here knows, the NH compacts and the CaseIH FARMALL are relatively the same. The fact is that feature for feature, price for price, the Kubota beats FARMALL and NH hands down. There may be a few specifications as you have so deftly pointed out where the the NH and FARMALL exceed the Kubota. This can be argued either way. But, when looking at the entire picture (price, warranty, cost of replacement parts, availability of product, fit and finish, ease of use, resale value, financing options, availability of parts, dealer network, and on and on) the Kubota is a much better value. Especially when you compare like models. And, as everyone knows here, the TC30 should not be compared to the B7800.

 

[j48j48]

Wow! What a thread. I tried the TC 30, about $1000 more on the quote. I liked the Kubota a little better, seemed easier for me to get on and off, had cruise on the HST. Felt smaller and more manuverable. I have a couple of tight spots I think it will get into and out of better. Tried a used 03" TC 29 D, liked it a lot, might buy it if I can get him to come down. Its a little bigger feeling then the B7800, but I like the slopped hood visability and loader, controls fit me better than TC 30. The Kubota fits well also. I like the people at the Kubota dealer, friendlier than at NH. Its a little farther away, but not to far to be unreasonable. Unless I can get NH to come down a couple grand on TC 29, I'll likely go B7800. I think any of these will do on my 5 acres, but B7800 is best deal for the money so far. Thanks KDJ

 

[JT1972]

For what its worth, all of the NH and compact engines, drivetrains, and axles come from shabura. It amazes me how much disinformation this site publishes by individuals who have not done the research. Cruise is an $100 option on the TC30 and is an electronic cruise vs. the mechanical cruise on the Kubota.

 

[JT1972]

Tralderman,
So let me see if I understand you correctly. You are saying that the readers of this site don't find any difference between cast iron and stamped steel....hmmm, very interesting. You ever see that commercial with Toby Keith and Ford trucks talking about the size of the frame vs chevy and Dodge? Guess according to you, the american public is not smart enough to see the difference in heavier components. Obviously ford motor company thinks that is important or they wouldn't have that commercial.
The facts are what they are, I let the individual make up their own mind whether it should be important to them or not. By getting upset that the NH tractor outspecs the B7800, it is what it is, they are both economy 30 hp tractors and are the correct comparison. Trying to say that specs don't matter is bogus.
If you are in fact a case IH dealer, I give you zero credibility due to the fact your thread is full of misinformation. Most people would agree that feature for feature on the deluxe units, the NH and CIH brands have the most creature comforts at a somewhat premium price. As far as warranty, they are the same, 3 years engine and drivetrain, 2 years all other components, both have the 0% financing for 36 months and in some cases, NH and Case have 0% for 48 months, dealer network - have no clue where your going with that, talking value- guess the standard features on the deluxe models, like the tilt steering wheel, swivel seat, incline/decline plane of the seat for visibility, one piece hood for easier access to the hood, gas strut for easier opening of the hood, flow thru radiators.....the list goes on and on of this stuff which kubota and deere do not have in their product, so you want to talk value?? I would like to stop by your dealership, maybe you can convert me. You have a dealership name and address??

 

[JT1972]

Interesting on the perspective of those who do their research.

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Thanks all, I am quite excited for this. Will definitively use this baby to it's fullest in the next couple years (and lifetime i'm sure).

As for why I when with blue. I had narrowed the field between Kubota, NH, John Deere. After pricing the JD's, that option went out the window...
Kubota dealer is actually closer to me, so that would have been the logical choice (for service, etc). I rented 2 from them last year, first was a 21HP B7510 for brush hogging. Kinda've a small tractor for the job...stalled quite a few times, but did ok. After I was done, i noted a part on the 3 pt hitch got (or was) bent where the brush hog attached to it, and it ended up rubbing on the right tire. Pin was still there, they probably should have set that up on a bigger model maybe. There was a lot of 'weed fuzz' flying around too, and almost every 5-10 minutes, i had to stop, pop the hood open, pull out the screen in front of the radiator to clean it from the fuzz, back to work, etc. The NH doesn't have that removable screen, as its front end is 'sealed' so those screens are part of the front end, no need to pop the hood. We'll see how that works.

Next was the L48 with a back hoe for digging couple trenches. This one worked quite well, and had fun on it! Little larger than what i'd be needing permanently though.

So since I was looking in the 30-35 HP range, what i've read seemed to be the NH as the better value. Prices are similar between the 2, so to me based on the NH set up, PTO HP rating, hydraulics capacity, and operator 'comfort' (pedal & handle locations, etc), NH seemed the better value. As these all have Japanese motors now anyhow, reliability is probably similar with all, but I agree I've heard good things about Kubota engines. The NH / Ford's been around for a while also, this was another factor for me (plus i'm a Ford guy anyhow! haha) Front end and loader combo look cool too. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I'll post some pics once I get this baby delivered!
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[tralderman]

No credibility??? You must be joking. Do you expect the people who read this forum to agree that someone who actually has sold both brands has no credibility. Are you saying someone who knows which tractors come in for repairs and what type of warranty work is done on each brand should not be considered an authority? You expect the readers of this thread to give less credibility to a dealer versus someone who is a "Retired farmer [who] enjoys tractor comparisons and the publicity around them?"
We sell Kubota tractors to people who take them home and beat the dog drap out of them. We sell B7800's to folks who attach backhoes and loaders and brush hogs, roto-tillers, and pulverizers to them. We have seen first hand the punishment a Kubota will take over years and years and years and for someone to say that somehow because something weighs more it will last longer is totally bogus.
A dealer has got to understand that what makes a customer satisfied in his/her purchase is not being able to check the oil without lifting the hood, it's forgetting to change the oil for 3 years and not having a breakdown. It's not the swivel seat or the tilt steering wheel that makes the customer comfortable, it's knowing that no matter what they do with (or to) their tractor that it simply won't break down. It's not even the initial price that is the biggest seller but the reliability of having a good dealer that stands behind the product that matters most.
People that read this forum are just as well educated as you or I am about tractors. When someone tries to make an argument that there is any one part, feature, or specification that makes any brand better that another, they are not falling for it.
I invite you to my dealership anytime. If you click on my profile you will find a link to my dealership. However, I will not convince you to buy a Kubota. I have 31 employees who are intimate with both CaseIH and Kubota who will convince you. I also have 17 years worth of satisfied Kubota customers who will do that for me.