backing up with a cart

   / backing up with a cart #21  
I have 2 trailers and to make it easier to hook up I put a cb ugly stick anttena on the tongue of each. I have a Leer topper on my truck and the word leer happens to be centered over my hitch. I just put the anttena between the two es and ease back until I feel a bump. I then put the truck in drive and then into park. I am generally less than half a ball off. I then let the tongue down until pressure is on the ball. Simple then to move the tongue until it drops over the ball.
 
   / backing up with a cart #22  
<font color=blue>The occasional "forgot to put the drain plug in" is fun</font color=blue>

Be careful, Patrick, who you are laughing at. It might be me! Once I discovered the plug was missing after I got out in the bay and my buddy noticed water in the floor of the boat. I was fishing near a guide and his party in one boat and two buddies from work in another. I was embarrassed and so afraid they would notice that I ssshhh-ed my friend, cranked the motor and eased away where I could lean unnoticed over the back of the boat and put the plug in and then pump the water out with the bilge pump.

Another time I took my dad out and the same thing happened. I knew I had put the plug in and could not understand why the boat was filling up with water. I figured the plug had come out and headed home. Once I got the boat on the trailer and up the ramp I discovered what had happened. I had plugged the plug into the live well drain hole!/w3tcompact/icons/blush.gif How many times is one person allowed to make the same stoopid mistake? Until he gets it right or sinks, I guess!/w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif

As far as having difficulty backing up the cart I am surprised no one has suggested lengthening the tongue on the cart. We all know that the longer the distance between the hitch and the wheels the easier a trailer or cart is to back up. At work we have a cart that we wag behind our golf cart and it is nearly impossible to back it up without jackknifing it. Part of my job also involves moving tank trailers with a mule (yard mover.) Backing up those long trailers is as easy as falling out of bed because of their length and the distance from the wheels to the pivot point on the fifth wheel.

I think practice is the best suggestion but if it is practical I would suggest lengthening the tongue by a couple of feet and see if that would not alleviate at least some of the backing up problem.
 
   / backing up with a cart #23  
Speaking of plugs................

My last assignment in Germany was in a Float Bridge unit. They build pontoon sections to ferry tactical vehicles and armor across rivers or they can build a floating bridge all the way across a river. The boats used are 27' Aluminum with twin 6cy Saber Diesels and jet drives.

One day we were doing a bridging operation on the Rhine when one of the boats developed a problem with a drive. We took it out of the water and a mechanic did some work on it.

When he was finished, we put the boat back on the water with the operator and mechanic on board for a test run. As soon as the operator backed away from the shore, the boat went straight to the bottom.

We spent a couple of hours winching it back out and discovered that the mechanic had left the cover off of the drive leaving an 8" hole for water to get in the boat. A lot of water can move through an 8" hole pretty quick.

We had two engines full of river water and a red faced, and very wet mechanic.
 
   / backing up with a cart #24  
mrcaptainbob, My pickup has a custom bumper on the front with all kinds of goodies, Solid stainless steel push bars, big hooks, brush gard, 12,000lb winch, for light, driving lights, and so forth as well as being made of 1/4 inch plate

B U T

Last and not least is two integral receiver hitches, one on each side of the winch. Can carry bikes or whatever but if manuevering ever gets too tough, I can always put a drawbar in front where I can see what is goin' on. Haven't used it for backin' a trailer yet but give me time, I'll get around to the original intended purpose eventually uinless Murphy takes a permanent vacation.

Patrick
 
   / backing up with a cart #25  
cstocks, I like the bit aboput the live well plug. Good design would require different plugs. My wife and I were in coastal search and rescue for 10 years as well as doing vessel exams at places like launching ramps. We may not have seen it all but we saw plenty. You self rescued and no one had to come get you so give yourself some credit.

The truly funny ones are the "leave the plug on the dash of the tow vehicle with a note attached so it won't be forgotten" cases. Some folks think clearly under pressure, sort of. Guy calls Coast Guard on the emergency channel (Marine VHF Ch 16) and we head out the channel toward the open ocean. His call sounds ever more frantic, talking about kids on board etc. We get the 41 footer up on plane and haul a-- out the channel "code 3" when a high speed cruiser (about 35 ft) passes us going the other way that sure meets the desciption of the ailing boat. Seems his brain kicked in and he realized that the leak, a failed valve in the marine head (toilet) or a leak in the through hull fitting for same, was the cause and it was in the air when the boat was up on plane so he firewalled it and headed for the harbor police dock where there was a HD electric bilge pump for emergencies. Why he didn't have a good pump on board so many (marginally) floating dollars is beyond me. It would have been interesting to see what he would have done if the sea state would have been considerably less conducive to high speed ops.

Patrick
 
   / backing up with a cart #26  
I thought I was the only nut who likes to watch the goings on at boat ramps !!

My friend and family can't work it out but there is always fun to be had.

Except if I am one of the boats in the queue !!!
 
   / backing up with a cart #27  
Slow. Slow. Slow. If it's a two wheel trailer if you cut left it turns right, and if you cut right it turns left.
An RVer's tip. Put your hand at the bottom of the steering wheel, you cut left and it turns left, you cut right it turns right.
Slow. Slow.
 
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#28  
That's right, a small 1,000 lb capacity sheet matal dump cart with fixed wheels near the center. If that qualifies as a trailer, then I guess I'm talking about a trailer. When I really run into trouble is when I pull up into tight quarters, like in the woods, and then have to negotiate my way out. Sometimes I end up unhitching the trailer and moving it manually to a better position, then reattaching it to the tractor hitch. Thanks for the input everyone.
 
   / backing up with a cart #30  
Ramp ettiquette requires one to stay away from the ramp and its approaches until the vessel is completely rigged and ready for launch. Of course not everyone is vying for the Emile Post of the launching ramp award. Take the bozo with the new sailboat who hasn't a clue how to rig his mast (standing rigging) or to set up his running rigging (sheets, down/out hauls etc. and tries to figure it out by process of ellimination using an exhaustive search method that ensures he tries every possible combination and permutation in pseudo-random order ensuring that some arrangements are tried multiple times. My experience has been that the longer it takes, the less likely that it is done correctly in these evolutions.

I was at one time probably fun to watch at the ramp. I had a partial keel sailboat that sat way high on the trailier to clear the keel above the pavement. The trailer (hot dipped galvanized with stainless steel fenders) had a telescopic double extension tongue to allow backing the trailer WAY out in the water and not getting the tow vehicle in the water. Of course the tongue is only extended on the ramp and used to go in a straight line as it can't take the side force of a turn. You back the trailer down to the water leaving the tires out of the water, chock the wheels, crank down the tongue jack, unpin the tongue's first extension and pull the tow vehicle upo the rampo until fully extended and repin. Sounds easy BUT often some eager bozo has edged down toward you and is in the way, recall you can't turn now. Release second telescopic section, pull forward and pin that then take a strain on the trailer so yo can pull the chocks and back her in. This is not fun for just one person. As thre are frequently drop offs at the deep end of a ramp and you can't pull the trailer up over one of them with the boat on the trailer, launching is OK but retrieval requires high water as in high tide, yet another consideration in the planing stages.

Actually, the most entertaining I think we ever were at a ramp was when my buddy fired up the inboard auxilliary engine on a small sailboat of mine and had a pretty advanced throtle setting and since it had a centrifugal clutch the boat took off down a line of small rental boats with him fending off with his feet untill the boat came to a stop against a padded dock and he went below and throttled down. I was standing on the ramp hoping for the best and trying to look serious. Hey, it was my first sailboat and probably his first time starting the engine (removable hand crank with bicycle chain starter drive). Too bad this predated the ready availability of camcorders, it was a hoot.

Little itsy bitsy trailer wheels have to turn hig RPM to make much road speed. This coupled with overloading gives high bearing temps. Sometimes high enough to make a hiss of steam when the axles hit the water. Any voids/air space in the grease and bearings then contract and suck in water to "help" the grease turn to mayonase. Ever wonder why so many trailers with small wheels are parked at the side of the road with a wheel off, it isn't all flat tires!

Patrick
 
 

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