Bad news... But. + package homes?

[MotorSeven]

Thats a nice looking building, thanks for sharing MotorSeven
How thick are the walls?
How are you heating it?

Was that a very expensive door? it looks like it seals very well.
I love the large door idea, i would place the utility room so as to have easy access to the water tank etc. with still enough room to eaisly bring furniture/appliences thru.

do you have any windows? / could some be added easily.

My wife and I considered living in our barn but the costs would be to great for a building we need for animal purposes anyway.

It would shed snow well.

Here is the build thread w/ pic's:

http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/...s.html?highlight=truth+arched+steel+buildings

If you need something in a hurry, or are not doing it yourself, I agree on a manufactured home. For me an apt and a workshop for the same money as a mobile was the way to go.
I built the doors myself, & no th eshop side is un-insulated, so the doors are not sealed. Windows are in the back on the apt side.

RD

 

[WantedWolf]

Thanks everyone..

The existing home on the land was built in the 50's then an addition that almost doubled its size was built in 1996. Both sides have a seperate basement, Both are terribly moist and on the new side already some mold
(carpet and drywall in the basement). This house will make do for the wife and I with very little input $ and time.

The new, quick dwelling will be a permanent living space for the Inlaws thier 2 dogs and furniture.
I have briefly looked into manufactured homes and its a nice price on paper, then you find its 2x4 frame not 2x6. Most in my price range dont include plumbing and electrical. But they would be put up quick.

It would make me smile to have this project wraped up for $30000 or less.
That would include good insulation, slab or footing, faucets toilets electric etc. I might leave appliences out of that price as we may have extras from the sale of the alberta house.

Im not sure how they would like it but MotorSeven's 'quonset' style is looking good. Quick shell, lots of room. But im unsure of spray insulation.

The inlaws ran a kennel and small sheep farm all thier lives. I want them to be happy, and I assume knowing them they wont want to spend much time indoors anyway.

I have always had the theory that I could tackle a job once and screw it up then get it right the second time for the same price as paying someone to do it for me, and then I gain the experience. But saying that I have never tackled a full house. This situation might be the exeption to my rule.
I would like do it all myself, and time to $ a shop package may be best.

If I choose the site I have in mind, drainage would be a large concern if I raised the grade what could I do to insure a large cement slab would stay where I put it, with a good forcast of natural settling on fresh packed fill.

 

[Egon]

OK, the budget looms up. That would eliminate the manufactured home of good quality. Those are on an equal to any contractor built house in performance if one specs them properly.

The thirty K budget limits a lot of things as I would guess a properly built slab on grade with footings below frost level and insulated is gonna eat up over a third of the budget for a thousand square foot building. Then there is a septic system and well so the rest of the budget gets pretty slim for the building.

I`m pretty sure in your area you will have some pretty stringent codes that will have to be adhered to but that should all come out in the development permit and then the building permit which are several other items that need the first attention. Without those the Power company will not cooperate.

 

[texbaylea]

You might look at this

Socket Systems

We added a large kitchen and completely reroofed the house using the system. It got me around some structural problems (loads on existing frame).

Rework takes more time but new construction can be fast. The size you are talking about would go fast. The site gives snow loading info so you can assess what you would need to build.

Vernon

 

[WantedWolf]

OK, the budget looms up. That would eliminate the manufactured home of good quality. Those are on an equal to any contractor built house in performance if one specs them properly.

The thirty K budget limits a lot of things as I would guess a properly built slab on grade with footings below frost level and insulated is gonna eat up over a third of the budget for a thousand square foot building. Then there is a septic system and well so the rest of the budget gets pretty slim for the building.

I`m pretty sure in your area you will have some pretty stringent codes that will have to be adhered to but that should all come out in the development permit and then the building permit which are several other items that need the first attention. Without those the Power company will not cooperate.

thank you for bringing up building codes , more later but the code thing should pass well for a quonset. and I have a septic semi available..

 

[Egon]

Just remember that codes will change when the building is used for human habitation as compared to just an outbuilding.

And the fellows will also want to know for what size your septic is designed for.

 

[reb]

As Egon said, a properly spec'd manufactured house will equal one built by a contractor. The cost would probably equal that built by the contractor, also.

The wife and I decided to buy a manufactured house instead of building when we retired. We still regret the decision. The house had a 1 year warranty, and we quickly learned why. We had to repaint the interior before we moved in. Everything we overlooked in specifying the house was the cheapest grade available. Our cost for the house, about 1200 sq. ft, was over double the 30k you mention. By pounding the nails ourselves, we could have built better quality for less. Buying it prebuilt was convenient, but it was not a good decision for the long term.

 

[2manyrocks]

With all the vacant foreclosed houses of every description, maybe you could find something at a significantly reduced price and either live in it where it is or move it to your site.

 

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[WantedWolf]

I might be jumping ahead to say the permits would be easy but they should be. The existing house (apx 1100sqft) was for insurance purposes not suitible for a primary residence as it had a 100 amp breaker. so to my understanding the land currently has no primary residence and it is insured as an outbuilding

The breaker panel has been upgraded to 200 amp, so I would reasses that house as primary and request a permit for an outbuilding of apx 1000sqft and submit all the site specific info. The site is ~2000meters from the md maintained driveway. and a kilometer from any neighbor. And I just learned Im resbonsible for all power poles on the property past the first 3. My wife remembers the permit price for the shop was about $60

The septic might be a problem. I had hoped that because the current house has a septic suitable for a 4 bedroom 2 bathroom house, I could tap into it for the second home. There is only four of us so there would still be the same water and septic usage. But the md is sure to see it differently.
And when the time comes to build a permanent home for my wife and I we would install a new septic because the home would be in another location.

Septics are pricey but much of that is labour and wont be to hard after a proper design has been okayed.
The location of another septic may be limited by soil drainage and proximity to the lake. Ideally this second system would have capacity to add a barn washroom in the future.

I am really starting to like the Steel Quonset style building set on a heated cement slab. Decide what would be living space, and call that a heating zone, then heat the rest seperatly as needed. Build and insulate an single level interior apartment inside, with some storage space above for christmas gear etc. An attatched garage would be a dream for the FIL. And my MIL would have lots of inside room to work with her 2 dogs in the colder months.

One worry if the above was the route we took, How would ventilation be best dealt with. I should mention my area is not connected to NGas. I Love the idea of a wood hydronic heater but reading some TBN posts im not sure if I will have time to keep up with it. That leaves electric for the infloor heating.