Banks no longer posting deposit rates?

   / Banks no longer posting deposit rates? #41  
i also have lots of money in I bonds and ee bonds, and in the stock market. Id love to pull it all out...but where else could i put it.


my old I bonds are earning over 5% still after many years.

gold has been very good to me for the past 6 years...and it will continue to do so.

You can listen to the paperpushers that want you to keep your money in some form of paper financing their debt/largesse or you can put it into honest money.

I chuckle at 5% returns when inflation blows by even that.

Is gold a sure thing? Nope

Is a guaranteed rate of return at 3.8% a sure thing? Not when your currency is being devalued by spineless politicians.
 
   / Banks no longer posting deposit rates? #42  
The biggest culprit is not whether or not the currency is backed a metal but our fractional banking system. We create money by loaning out deposits.
 
   / Banks no longer posting deposit rates? #43  
ill never fall into the buying gold routine. I dont want to get into the gold issue going again... it always causes a fight here online.

to each their own.
 
   / Banks no longer posting deposit rates? #44  
ill never fall into the buying gold routine. I dont want to get into the gold issue going again... it always causes a fight here online.

to each their own.

OK
You sit there and wonder what to do while you watch gold go 20% higher each year...

like you said, to each, their own.
 
   / Banks no longer posting deposit rates? #45  
The biggest culprit is not whether or not the currency is backed a metal but our fractional banking system. We create money by loaning out deposits.

those two are more related than you think

but you are correct.

Our Constitution is violated by the very nature of fractional reserve banking...among other aspects of our monetary system.

Hey, who cares, though. The gov't is wanting to raise the debt ceiling another trillion or so and people here are scoffing at the idea of investing in something real as they complain about returns on paper. I don't get the mentality of some...
 
   / Banks no longer posting deposit rates? #46  
Where to start...................................

We, as a country, have screwed ourselves by using the very thing that used to keep interest rates high - leverage and credit. For the last 30 years, we have purchased, on credit, everything from vacations, big cars, overbloated college expenses and homes. This glut of credit helped create the transfer of wealth to China and the Middle East through shopping at WalMart and our oversized appetite for energy. We have mortgaged our future by buying on credit, way too much credit. This excess of credit kept interest rates high because interest rates rise when demand is high.

Beginning in 2000, we entered a secular period of lessening demand, demand for everything, including vacations, big cars and homes. When there is no demand, interest rates fall. Just look at Japan - a 25 year period of falling demand and a severe period of deflation. Deflation is what hurt during the Depression and Bernanke knows it. He must provide cover (read low interest rates) to give the eceonomy a chance to recover. By keeping rates low, Bernanke is sucking the life out of those already retired. Someone suggested buying a gold mining stock for its dividend. Retirees, as a group, would not be accustomed to the swings as big as precious metals. At its high, gold only represented a 20% value when it supposedly backed our currency. When the crap hits the fan, gold FALLS because banks must sell it to prop up its reserves. Gold is a fear investment which will fall like a rock when things get nasty.

China will not manipulate our interest rates because they need us as customers. China will try to leverage things from us - like Taiwan. China is a country of few rich and even less communists. The country is full of people who want something better. The government must keep them working to keep them busy and satisfied. They build cities with no with no one to live in them. They have no health care, no financial system and rule by fear. A Chinese citizen would rather live a winter in Montana than live in western China.

Rates will stay low for a long time unless demand returns which I do not expect anytime soon. The banks are greedy because they play on our own greed. Credit unions cannot serve this country's banking needs. They cannot make multi-million dollar loans to keep businesses going. Patronize them if you want a higher rate, I would. The big banks should have been allowed to fail. we might be through this already if they had - no one will ever know.

Debt is the killer of many things if used unwisely.


You seem to make alot of sense, but your take on gold falling like a rock, is in great contrast with most conventional wisdom.
Not saying it's not true, just because everyone else thinks something will happen doesn't mean it will. But that means you are either very enlightened or just wrong, I'm not suggesting one or the other. A different perspective though that's for sure.

I follow the conventional thinking that gold would rise in cost during a SHTF scenario. But then what, we know what goes up must come down eventually.
It is a rare commodity, but is it a valuable commodity?
I don't see any great increase in gold prices (or great decline), since most fear is in check for now. If some calamity occurred I would expect there to be great demand for it, at least initially.

JB
 
   / Banks no longer posting deposit rates? #47  
OK
You sit there and wonder what to do while you watch gold go 20% higher each year...

like you said, to each, their own.

my Ford stock went fro $2.10 to $14/ share, and i had 2,000 shares.

if i would have bought gold, id be way worse off.

My Las Vegas Sands went from $8.00 to $43/share when i sold it

gold...i think not.

I took out over $200K from the stock market from 3 years work, and this is now in the bank
 
   / Banks no longer posting deposit rates? #48  
Maybe when the US can cut it's debt, gold will fall...

If any of y'all think that can happen, I've got a bridge to sell you... :)
 

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   / Banks no longer posting deposit rates? #49  
in 1980 gold was $460/oz... now its $1,600/oz

lets face it, gold should be worth ALOT more than 1600 just to keep up with what it was worth 30 years ago. Its not such great hedge on inflation. Heck it went down $250 per oz just last month.

And you cant eat gold. No mater what people say we will never be able to buy stuff using gold....for many reasons

1. There not enough gold on the planet earth to balance the US budget
2. No store or shopkeeper is going to start using scales to make transactions.
3. Gold fluctuates by the hour as to its value...how can anyone seriously think they can make this a viable monetary source at the checkout stand....but everybody is still pushing for gold to be used as a legal commodity again and not just as an investment. they want to do away with the dollar. i mean really.
4. You cant eat gold. its actually one of the more useless metals. Silver is worth alot more to mankind.
 
   / Banks no longer posting deposit rates? #50  
Maybe when the US can cut it's debt, gold will fall...

If any of y'all think that can happen, I've got a bridge to sell you... :)

Wow that chart is almost like a scientific formula, how could the price go down unless debt went down. I hope that doesn't mean debt will keep rising out of control. But what will stop it it if anything can?

JB
 

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