Bashing

[TresCrows]

Just when I had hoped this thread had died--- and all of this is old news---1. the BX works fine with many posthole diggers 2. the loader on the BX is much superior to that "thing" on the 455. 3. the BX and 455 side by side really are not comparable 4. comparisons of the BX to the 4100 are unfair as that tractor should be compared to the 2410 5. the BX loader has the same or better lift height specs -- read the specs for yourself---- when compared to the 7500 and 2410 and 4100 there is a thread on this already). 5. the BX, even in 2WD mode has far more pulling power than the 455--it is true like it or not.
Personally, where JD tractors are made is not an issue--but it is with some people who want to be ethnocentric.
JD markets a fine series of machines--I just feel the "old in the tooth" 400 series are in need of real updating especially considereing price. My neighbors dad had some interesting tidbits when I spoke to him over the holidays--he is a JD dealer. He was over looking the BX over and my other new toy (shhhhhh--it is a secret) and was telling me that the new 400X and 500X updates are not intended to match the BX but that the new JD4010 will be a subcompact type machine with some user friendly features. According to him it will be slightly larger than the BX but smaller than the excellent 4100 (aka 4110) and will be an excellent entry in this new field. He sells mostly ag stuff in a rural area but he told me last time we spoke that at dealer meetings he has attended JD sales for small tractors has been impacted by the BX -- mostly around the larger cities (suburban areas I assume). He is a very nice man and I have no reason to not believe him. He also stated that the dealers are looking forward to the promised improvements and are very hopeful they are delievered upon by JD--sounds like an exciting year coming up for "tractor wars" and some excellent new tractors to dream about.
BiggDann--is that from the movie --Oh Brother Where art Thou ??--an excellent movie. Please register and welcome to tractorbynet. Also, if ya want to argue (discuss-- /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif ) with me (455 vs BX) maybe we could do it private so as not to stir the kettle to much. The 455 is an excellent machine--it is just the cost of it that get's me. Hope y'all had a wonderful Christmas.
J

 

[Anonymous Poster]

Thanks for the info - I will register this weekend. No - don't want to argue (discuss) the 455/BX/4100/NH21 thing... I'm fortunate enough to have too much dumb equipment around anyway... and if I'm in a hurry to mow... my JD8400 with a 12 rotary cutter will mow the yard, 455's, BX's and most else is short order (although I hate picking out those cub cadet parts from under the blades after mowing though - just kidding before someone goes off the deep-end...)

Seriously - find a good dealer, a good tractor, keep water out of your diesel fuel and enjoy!

 

[Nuru]

Tres:

"Personally, where JD tractors are made is not an issue--but it is with some people who want to be ethnocentric.",

Actually it may be more National-centric, but you are correct. It seems some individuals do have some heartburn on where a product is made, even thought he heartburn should be directd at the American Execs who make those decisions not the Consumers who buy the products.

"5. the BX, even in 2WD mode has far more pulling power than the 455--it is true like it or not." Yes it is a lot heavier than the 455, from the start, thus it can definitely provide more traction, and I do think the BX series is a younger design than the 400 series (correct me if I am wrong), so they probably definitely benefitted from noting the observed shortcomings of the 400 series.

"My neighbors dad had some interesting tidbits when I spoke to him over the holidays--he is a JD dealer. He was over looking the BX over and my other new toy (shhhhhh--it is a secret) and was telling me that the new 400X and 500X updates are not intended to match the BX but that the new JD4010 will be a subcompact type machine with some user friendly features. According to him it will be slightly larger than the BX but smaller than the excellent 4100 (aka 4110) and will be an excellent entry in this new field."

I was told it would be very similar in size with a difference in the hood and other body parts making it appear smaller, but it actually wasn't, but if that size change is correct, then I hope they also reduce the price. Also there is a 4115 model that has more HP than the 4100 and 4110, which suppossedly have the same HP.

Yes it will be an intereting year for the "Tractor Wars"

nuru

 

[TresCrows]

Hi Nuru, you have to understand my JD dealer friend is into the big ag stuff. His observations of the new lawnmowers and the new compacts may not be completely accurate--if you were told something else then it may well be he is wrong somewhat. If as you say the 4010 is designed to look smaller but it really isn't then he certainly could have been fooled because all he has seen are pictures. One of the reasons the BX looks smaller besides the smaller wheels is the reverse flow set up with the battery and radiator under the steering wheel and the fuel tank conveiently relocated under the seat. This produces a more compact format that compared to my other toy which has the fuel tank forward of the steering wheel, the radiator way up front and the battery even further ahead. This way I get to break my poor back while fueling and spill fuel all over everything. I am kinda hoping that the new JD4010 will be a smaller unit than the 4100 with a rear fuel tank and reverse flow and that at some point Kubota will introduce a larger BX type machine also, then I can add it to my collection. Hey, how is that folding ROP's thing coming--figure out anything yet?
J

 

[Kubota-monkey]

Nuru You just have to remember that the foreign parts in those cars are the only things that hold them together /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif

 

[Nuru]

LOL!, But you have to also remember it an American Design that those foreign parts are typically usind in the first place. Transfused Innovation is what the Nipponese and the Europeans are really good at.

nuru

 

[jimmoore]

wish I had a fairly new <font color=orange>ORANGE</font color=orange> or <font color=green>GREEN</font color=green> so I could get my 2c worth in, but with a 21 y/o <font color=blue>BLUE</font color=blue>, I'll just read the threads and keep quite!

 

[Nuru]

Tres, I have sent inquiries to a number of sources and am awaiting the response on the Folding ROPS. I hope I can just order it from an importer, instead of trying to build my own.

Yes I do understand what you are saying about your JD Dealer buddy. The 4100 also has a set of smaller tires for it too and with those on it certainelt looks smaller - "Shorter"

I also understand what you are saying about the filling the tank located just infront of the Steerng wheel, without careful prep it can get very messy. My first fill up, I was a little excited and spilled some of the fuel.

Nuru

 

[Turfman]

Amen on the American design on a foreign product. I needed to take an axle off my Chev truck and couldn't figure it out, so I opened the manual for my wife's Landcruiser wagon and there was the picture of the Chev rearend. They looked exactly the same and the disassembly instructions worked perfectly for the Chev.

 

[Nuru]

Turfman, that is really interesting. I have a similar experience with aDatsun (well Nissan), 240z. My cousin had one in 1973, and realized while working on it, that the block was the same as a chevy 6 blovk, except the fuel pump was on the other side, but a lot o the parts were interchangeable. We came to find out that GM had worked with Nissan on the 240z's engine. Not the first, nor the last U.S./Nippon collaboration in autos. Again, we seem to have the greatest ideas (pure innovation), but they (the Europeans and the Nipponese), are better at transfused innovation (essentially taking someone else's ideas and exploiting them). Oh well the Consumer will continue to benefit.

Nuru