Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

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Was looking at this thread late last night after a very long week, with some of the following sloshing around my mind.... too tired to type meaningfully.....

Ironically, this morning, my laptop came up with a startup/crash screen I'd never seen before with Ubuntu.

Some examples with stone-age (relative to autonomous driving) tech......

ABS has been on-road for a long time. In the rust belt, you get jacking under the tone-ring, and breakage. "Old" days, ABS light comes on, you get to keep driving.

A # of years back, a buddy addressed that issue on a customer's Smart car that showed up at his shop. A really fair guy, he felt bad about the bill he handed the lady, because at the time here, the only way to source a part was to get a complete axle shaft from Benz. The reason it HAD to be fixed NOW - because the Stability Control was missing the signal from that wheel, the lady was driving around all the time with most of the brakes automatically applied.

FFwd a few years.... a regular customer stops by to see my buddy. He'd fixed old cars for them for a lot of years, and knew they had finally bought a new vehicle - asked how they liked the new car. Customer says.... "Got a story". Husband at work, first day with the new car, wife backs it into the garage, and tweaks a side-view mirror. He gets home, she's crying..... Hey, no biggie, I'll take care of it tomorrow.

Jumps in the car next morning, turns key. Nada. Car had to be flat-decked to a dealer, expensive mirror replaced, then the Collision Avoidance system had to be calibrated, before the car would fire up.

Vehicle happened to be a Subaru, but could be anything today..... Big fun, with a kayak on top, after driving 12 hours to get to the middle of nowhere..... or just slide off the edge of a snowy rural road and lightly tweak that mirror on a tree..... good tires and AWD won't do much for you then.

My biggest issue with added-complexity is when what should be a Secondary (or less) function takes down the Primary function. Engineers know the fault-term for that situation, but, no matter..... It may well be Legal that decides what Doesn't Happen....

"With collision avoidance off-line, we don't want somebody jumping in the car, getting in an accident, then claiming they didn't know...."

Years ago, the term Peak Oil was coined...... perhaps we've already passed Peak Reliability.......

A good friend of mine ditched an ML350 a while back, after even the dealer admitted the model's (nothing to do with Autonoumous Driving) electronics were flaky.

Rgds, D.
 
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I just ordered a couple of VanMoof e-bikes for my wife and me. We test rode them downtown Seattle for fun a few weeks ago and I am going to surprise the Mrs. for xmas. They are quite sleek and fun. Modern design from the Netherlands. A very long waiting list and I know I can turn around and sell them at our cost because of demand around here if we have a change of heart.

Ride the future with our Electric Bikes | VanMoof

When the supply-side gets a little better, I may consider an E-assisted bike myself.

That said..... just make sure to RTFM..... ;)

Simon Cowell thanks medics after breaking back in electric bike fall - BBC News

Rgds, D.
 
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Hyundai to recall 77, Kona electric cars over risk of battery fire, fights LG Chem over cause - Electrek

The learning curve is real as history repeats itself.

Tesla to release 'Full Self-Driving Beta' to some customers next week - Electrek

Waymo announced this for one USA city last week and now this announcement. We will see where this goes.

Yep, bit of GroundHog Day..... went through this cycle with phones, laptops, aviation installations..... Society wants the convenience/performance, so the risks will mostly be tolerated.

Getting $/density/reliability right, just on an HV battery pack, takes significant and sustained effort. If you make 1 million packs, with a 0.1% failure rate, that's 1,000 faulty packs.

People who haven't worked in high-volume manufacturing often don't ever think about this ^ issue..... but in day-to-day life, most people don't perform at even a 0.1% error rate.....

My concerns about tech implementations..... it's not because I think it's impossible; rather, that I know it's not easy to continuously manufacture very complex products (of which, the hardware is only not even half of the complexity) that are ultra-reliable.....

We do live in interesting times......... :D

Rgds, D.
 
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Has the new Electric Hummer been talked about here? All 100 grand worth?
 
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The new FSD software beta was helpful in me understanding why I am willing to pay $10K for that feature.

First drive with Tesla Full Self Driving (FSD) Beta code in North Carolina - YouTube

They are charging $10k for that now? IIRC, they were charging $3k for it in 2017. In any case, the customer is buying a feature that doesn't exist. If they manage to get all the technical issues worked out, then they need to work through the legal issues to be able to use it on public roads.
 
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They are charging $10k for that now? IIRC, they were charging $3k for it in 2017. In any case, the customer is buying a feature that doesn't exist. If they manage to get all the technical issues worked out, then they need to work through the legal issues to be able to use it on public roads.

Elon Musk has stated FSD is going to cost $100K when it works well because that is less than paying a driver 24 hours 7 days a week 365 days out of a year for a taxicab driver. He thinks FSD will have to be 10x safer than a human driver to fly.
 
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