Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

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This from page 9. I agree EVS are hard to buy if you don't have money but that is true for buying a new gas car as well.

Our 2016 Leaf SL came from a Nissan dealership. They had it priced at retail book and I believe it might have been $18, 000. Since I was on my way to look at an older leaf I had 12,000 in cash on me when I decided to go to the Nissan dealership. I like the car and it had Seriously degraded battery and I laid the $12,000 on the salesman desk. About 20 minutes later the salesman came back and said $13,800 was as low as they would go but I could pay the rest by credit card. The salesperson assured me I would be in line for a new battery from Nissan under warranty very soon so I went for the deal.

5 Weeks later the battery health dropped below 65% triggering the warranty claim. In the meantime Nissan had started replacing the 107 mi range battery with 150 mi range battery. Effectively that meant I had 150 mi range 2020 EV for $14K with 25K miles.
Just 3 years earlier I bought a very low (7K) mileage 18 month old Corolla for 13K.
It still has it's original (12v) battery, and a new battery will likely cost less than $125.
Gets 36 mpg hwy.

I should have bought a battery powered car? (replacement battery = $5K)
The car has 76K now, and using an average of only 33mpg, at $3.00/gal, my fuel cost at a maximum has been $6.9 K
Seemingly $1900 more that the battery replacement, but not allowing for charging costs.
Could be just about an even dollar expense wash, with gas being MUCH more user friendly/convenient.

Did not make sense for me then, and still does not!
To get around my property, I do love my 48v golf car though!
 
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Since the US Canadian border is not covered in ice sheet obviously we are in a phase of global warming. I am aware that the ice had melted before we started drilling oil wells.

I for one do not get the connection between global warming and EVS as a solution to the problem.

Science tells me that my gas vehicle has efficiency of 20 30% and my EV has efficiency of 80%. That's what drives me to EVS instead of ice vehicles when feasible but we're far far from EVS proficient at meeting all transportation needs in total today.



Dino juice fossil fuel crude oil whatever you want to call it will run out some day and I'd like to make that last as long as we can for lubrication roads etc.

The coming hundred dollar Plus oil prices will cease this needless debate over climate change because we'll do it for economical reasons only.
 

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My dad went through several used rhd mail jeeps in the 70's on his rural route. He let me drive one to town when I was 16 years old to visit a friend. My friends older brother jumped in it, started it with a screw driver and drove off. After his joyride I never got to borrow the jeep again.
 

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Since the US Canadian border is not covered in ice sheet obviously we are in a phase of global warming. I am aware that the ice had melted before we started drilling oil wells.

I for one do not get the connection between global warming and EVS as a solution to the problem.

Science tells me that my gas vehicle has efficiency of 20 30% and my EV has efficiency of 80%. That's what drives me to EVS instead of ice vehicles when feasible but we're far far from EVS proficient at meeting all transportation needs in total today.



Dino juice fossil fuel crude oil whatever you want to call it will run out some day and I'd like to make that last as long as we can for lubrication roads etc.

The coming hundred dollar Plus oil prices will cease this needless debate over climate change because we'll do it for economical reasons only.
That is exactly what the fossel fuel haters are pushing for politically!
 

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When my fuel tank is running low I usually fill up on the way home. From time to time something comes up or I simply forget. When I get in the vehicle the next time I kick myself and fill up. If I forget to plug in with an EV and the charge is low, I'd be up a creek if I needed to go very far.
 

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When my fuel tank is running low I usually fill up on the way home. From time to time something comes up or I simply forget. When I get in the vehicle the next time I kick myself and fill up. If I forget to plug in with an EV and the charge is low, I'd be up a creek if I needed to go very far.
You could get a smart wrist watch, that would remind you to plug your EV in before you go to bed.
Just imagine just how convenient (?) this would be if refrigerators worked the same way.:ROFLMAO:
 
  
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When my fuel tank is running low I usually fill up on the way home. From time to time something comes up or I simply forget. When I get in the vehicle the next time I kick myself and fill up. If I forget to plug in with an EV and the charge is low, I'd be up a creek if I needed to go very far.
I bet walking could make you a fast learner. :)

Fear of the unknown is a real thing to some people.
 
  
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That is exactly what the fossel fuel haters are pushing for politically!
Fossil fuel prices is a factor of supply and demand not what somebody wants it to be. People's love or hate of something is not what determines the international price of crude.


The demand for fossil fuel products is going to do nothing but increase for many decades.
 

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Fossil fuel prices is a factor of supply and demand not what somebody wants it to be. People's love or hate of something is not what determines the international price of crude.


The demand for fossil fuel products is going to do nothing but increase for many decades.
The political actions can greatly affect the price/availability of crude.
Consider ANWR, Keystone XL!
The loss of both will have an effect on crude price and availability.
 

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Since the US Canadian border is not covered in ice sheet obviously we are in a phase of global warming. I am aware that the ice had melted before we started drilling oil wells.

I for one do not get the connection between global warming and EVS as a solution to the problem.

Science tells me that my gas vehicle has efficiency of 20 30% and my EV has efficiency of 80%. That's what drives me to EVS instead of ice vehicles when feasible but we're far far from EVS proficient at meeting all transportation needs in total today.



Dino juice fossil fuel crude oil whatever you want to call it will run out some day and I'd like to make that last as long as we can for lubrication roads etc.

The coming hundred dollar Plus oil prices will cease this needless debate over climate change because we'll do it for economical reasons only.
We need a lot more than conversion to EVs. The nice thing about electricity is that generation does not require fuel. Solar, wind, and geothermal can meet our future energy needs. Hydro is pretty much maxed out, and the damage dams did to fisheries was not considered when we built them. Nuclear in America is still the victim of 1960s technology, which was messy and unsafe. America is stuck in a hole, but other countries, mostly in Asia, are building out 21st century reactors. China and India are leading the world in nuclear technology.


Our cheapest source of electricity is solar, but storage is a problem. Repurposed EV batteries or dedicated batteries could be a partial solution, but manufacturing and installing that much storage will take years.

Global warming does not happen in a vacuum. :unsure: The sun may be moving into a Grand Solar Minimum, which would cause global cooling under normal circumstances. Balancing that is the projection that if we continue to litter our atmosphere with CO2, it will be 3x historical norm by the end of this century. Let's hear it for predictions, which are almost always wrong. If the sun doesn't cool off, we're screwed. If the sun does cool off, the next century is screwed. If our industrial civilization collapses, all bets are off the table.

Maintaining an industrial civilization during an era of global development is going to require some serious inventiveness. The Chinese are developing solar, nuclear, and hydrogen fusion. America is putting up windmills and fracking. China is way ahead of the US and Europe in EV deployment. Maybe we can steal their technology?
 
 
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