Benefits of higher (20MPS FiOS) speed internet?

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Currently have Verizon FiOS 5/2 service. They want to sell me 20/20 for $10 more per month. I really don't have to wait for downloads, but the future in movie rentals is via the internet - ie apple TV or similar.

My question is this - if I rent/buy a movie from itunes etc. who is the bottle neck - me or their server. If I upgrade to 20/20 will I see any benefit? What about other services - uploading photos etc?
 
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Be careful you don't end up paying for something you cannot use. some ISP's are startiing to egage in traffic shaping - identifying high bandwidth applications like movie downloads and then limiting speed available.
 
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What the BlackDog said - they will suck you in promising bandwidth, then decide you are downloading "too much" (which never seems to be defined), and then throttle down your downloads. I had recently read about pilot programs that involved charging for downloading more that x-Bytes of information. They're already doing it for my cellphone downloads on a per-MByte basis. Get their limits in writing.
 
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I'm envious of your current speeds, if you download huge files (high def video)- you may have some advantage to a speed increase. If the stuff you download is fast enough for you, having it take a few seconds less probably isn't worth it. Websurfing itself won't get faster- if you upload a lot of stuff (video or webstie changes) that would be an advantage over your current plan. The biggest advantage would seem to be streaming video- no buffering with speeds like that. The other advantage- if you buy it, maybe they'll keep laying down the fiber and someday we can all get it!
 
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The service providers are only targeting illegal downloads through peer-to-peer sharing since those use the bandwidth all the time. Whether you agree with this or not (to me it's like going to an all-you-can-eat buffet with a sleeping blanket, but I sell telco equipment so I kow how much bandwidth costs), typically it's hard to press the point that you're downloading an illegal copy of a movie and not getting the speed you think you should... Comcast is actually the biggest offender here, a few people in the same neighborhood running a BitTorrent client can kill the entire network for all the homes passed, it's a fundamental flaw in the cable system architecture. Verizon isn't as bad in that respect but their wireless unlimited data plan is actually profiled and if it looks like you're violating the TOU by sharing the connection or by running a file server they'll cut you off - the same may be true of FiOS but I haven't heard about it. I also haven't heard of them rate limiting bandwidth from any provider to legitimate servers like iTunes and my BitTorrent downloads (granted, mostly of legitimate files) hasn't been throttled.

I have the 10Mbps service, Verizon is probably making you the offer because they're looking to drop some of the lower bandwidth services (I know my plan isn't currently offered). Various speed tests peg me at a hair over the promised rate both up and down, but more importantly downloading large files from well-known servers seems to be pretty darn close to 10Mbps (remember a lot of programs report MBps, so you'll have to multiply by 8 to get the right value - I use 10 because there's also packet overhead involved and math class was hard :) ). I'd imagine that iTunes downloads would be much faster, but large numbers of smallish files like photo sharing may or may not be affected depending on which service you use (some require a lot of processing on the server-side between uploads which negates your speed increase). Today's YouTube-type services are fine at 5Mbps, but in the near future you may be able to get streaming HD video from websites like that where 20M would be a benefit.

Also look into their TV service if you haven't already. I've got it and even with standard def (Verizon has issues getting HD set top boxes) it's so far been more reliable than my previous house's cable and better than DirecTV because I've got too many trees to get a good signal - plus it doesn't go away in heavy rains. Verizon has some triple-play (voice/video/Internet) and four-play (add in wireless) deals that can be attractive.
 
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Thanks Jeff - you answered my question. I do have FiOS TV - it's pretty good - their selection of on demand videos leave a bit to be desired... HD is awesome - but I've found a bug - the multi-room DVR doesn't work with a HD "satellite" box only SD. So I've got redundant HD DVR's - good news - twice the storage capacity - bad news I don't need it and it costs $5 a month more.

I currently use Vonage for my phone, but should revisit the triple play - I've got cell service from VZW already, but get a discount through my employer.

For all the conspiracy theorists - I'll let you know if/when the black helicopters arrive...:D Seriously - I'm not into the bit torrent type activities so shouldn't be a problem.
 
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It may not be important to you, but Vonage doesn't offer what we in the industry call "Lifeline POTS" (POTS is an official acronym for Plain Old Telephone Service). This means that in a power outage or an Internet outage you won't be able to get to 911. According to the FCC this is important, while my FiOS Internet hasn't been out at all and you can always put the Vonage device on battery backup, there is no penalty if there is an Internet outage like there is if you have a local phone service outage so Internet gets restored last. FiOS telephone does meet those specs (although through a battery they install in your house).

However, if I had only Vonage service I wouldn't be too concerned about this myself. First of all, my wife and I are in good health so there's not as much need for 911 services as there would be if we were at more risk. I've also got three cell phones from two different providers, I'd probably grab one of those before I grabbed a landline. If all that fails I can always fall back on my trusty sat phone. Not to mention the fact that if I'm in a life-and-death situation during a power and/or Internet outage there's a decent chance something VERY bad is going on and even the landlines would be busy - as would the emergency responders so I'd be out of luck to begin with. :)
 
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hazmat said:
My question is this - if I rent/buy a movie from itunes etc. who is the bottle neck - me or their server. If I upgrade to 20/20 will I see any benefit? What about other services - uploading photos etc?

I am jealous. Wow.

Go for it. If you upgrade you are decreasing the risk that you are the communications bottleneck. Bigger pipe to you and all that. But now the issue turns to your device capable speeds. Are your devices hardwired or wireless and at what speeds?

Your interest in HD downloads makes it worthwile IMHO.
 
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riptides said:
I am jealous. Wow.

Go for it. If you upgrade you are decreasing the risk that you are the communications bottleneck. Bigger pipe to you and all that. But now the issue turns to your device capable speeds. Are your devices hardwired or wireless and at what speeds?

Your interest in HD downloads makes it worthwile IMHO.

devices are currently wireless - I believe my router (verizon supplied is "g"- 23 - 56 Mps) so that shouldn't be a limit (yet). The macbook is in the office & can plug in. I ran cat6 to the home theater cabinet, but haven't hooked it up yet. I haven't yet bought an appletv, but that is "n" so is the macbook.
 
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I'm jealous. I still have dial-up. Right now I'm downloading at a blazing 2.6 Kb/sec. I keep checking the Verizon site and they say they are coming, well 3 years later there still not here. I looked into satelite internet it would be worth having but I don't use it enough to justify the cost.

Solo
 

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