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[Trials]

Only since 1986

Considering many motorcycles don't even come with a warranty or are very poor at supporting their product when a claim is made, I find it difficult to hold it against a manufacture when they successfully stand behind the materials and workmanship in they products.

 

[Zerk]

Only since 1986 [ipg[/img]

Considering many motorcycles don't even come with a warranty or are very poor at supporting their product when a claim is made, I find it difficult to hold it against a manufacture when they successfully stand behind the materials and workmanship in they products.

Never heard of a motorcycle that did not come with a warranty. Have you really?

The problems seem to have started early 2000s.

One thing I point out to people, no matter the product, if you know they have good customer service, it is because they have a bad product. Best product you never know if it has a warranty.

 

[Trials]

None of my competition bikes came with a warranty, that would be 7 bikes to date, apparently there are a number of Chinese manufactured motorcycles that have no warranty and I tried to make a warranty claim for an 8$ part on a Suzuki once (speedometer cable). I had to argue with the dealership for near 2 hours to make good on it and I was installing it myself, so that was pretty much a 4$ wholesale part they didn't want to make good on. Actually that is the Only warrantied item that I ever did make good on in 50 years of riding motorcycles.

 

[Zerk]

All the major bike companies have warranties. Ya maybe Chinese bikes don't,but I wouldn't buy one. I try to avoid buying Chinese products in general. Not just because they can be junk, but I don't want to support China.

Of all the major companies, BMW has the worse reliability. You knew what I was talking about. You are the one bringing up all the the bikes having to be returned for failures.

It doesn't matter if the dealer makes you feel good about the failures, whatever bike that failes the most, has the worse reliability. Not hard to reason.

I used to want a BMW. The storage space on the RTs and LTs turned me off. Maybe a GS.

I have a concours, but it is such a rattle trap, and has failed me. When I brought all the problems they don't fix with them on ADV, they say that is how Kawaski is they don't fix things. But they rail on Harley, which does the same thing at times too. They get a pass. Going to sell, just been to lazy.

 

[Garandman]

HDForums.com is all about HD.

I mostly go to advrider.com, not the place if you are only interested in cruisers.

 

[Trials]

All the major bike companies have warranties. Ya maybe Chinese bikes don't,but I wouldn't buy one. I try to avoid buying Chinese products in general. Not just because they can be junk, but I don't want to support China.

Of all the major companies, BMW has the worse reliability. You knew what I was talking about. You are the one bringing up all the the bikes having to be returned for failures?.

You completely missed the part about competition bikes, even warranty's where they are expressed become void the moment you use a motorcycle for competition and none of my competition bikes were made in China they include Scorpa, Yamaha and Montesa products. By your metric any motorcycles used in competition don't count towards adding credibility to a manufacturers record of building reliable motorcycles, does that make any sense to you? Right off the top, if a manufacturer wins the Dakar Rally or blows the competition away at a 24 hour endurance race :/ you aren't going to count that, you are only concerned about a high number of successful warranty claims.

You asked for an explanation of why I was laughing and you got it. Yes I was indeed clarifying the metric you were referring to for the benefit of other readers.

In my experience my HRC Montesa's and my BMW have been by far the most reliable motorcycles that I have ever owned. Surely you aren't seriously going to contend that My BMW's proven reliability record doesn't count because my bike is 30 years old and still going strong on mostly original parts. I contend that your blanket statement "Of all the major companies, BMW has the worse reliability." is seriously flawed.

After all that, I have to ask what you consider to be a reliable motorcycle in your experience? and never mind the warranty nonsense, warranty's don't last as long as I expect my motorcycles should and generally do last.


P.S. please don't read this as a hostile response in any way, it wasn't intended to be argumentative. It's a beautiful day today for riding and working on motorcycles and I'm all good with that

 

[Trials]

HDForums.com is all about HD.

I mostly go to advrider.com, not the place if you are only interested in cruisers.

I think I agree with that, Adventure Rider looks like a great place to read or tell about what people are doing on their motorcycles. Probably not the best place to go ask a question.

 

[Zerk]

You completely missed the part about competition bikes, even warranty's where they are expressed become void the moment you use a motorcycle for competition and none of my competition bikes were made in China they include Scorpa, Yamaha and Montesa products. By your metric any motorcycles used in competition don't count towards adding credibility to a manufacturers record of building reliable motorcycles, does that make any sense to you? Right off the top, if a manufacturer wins the Dakar Rally or blows the competition away at a 24 hour endurance race :/ you aren't going to count that, you are only concerned about a high number of successful warranty claims.

You asked for an explanation of why I was laughing and you got it. Yes I was indeed clarifying the metric you were referring to for the benefit of other readers.

In my experience my HRC Montesa's and my BMW have been by far the most reliable motorcycles that I have ever owned. Surely you aren't seriously going to contend that My BMW's proven reliability record doesn't count because my bike is 30 years old and still going strong on mostly original parts. I contend that your blanket statement "Of all the major companies, BMW has the worse reliability." is seriously flawed.

After all that, I have to ask what you consider to be a reliable motorcycle in your experience? and never mind the warranty nonsense, warranty's don't last as long as I expect my motorcycles should and generally do last.


P.S. please don't read this as a hostile response in any way, it wasn't intended to be argumentative. It's a beautiful day today for riding and working on motorcycles and I'm all good with that

Your BMW is 30 years old. What does that have to do with state of BMW now?

If one bike wins a race, it is a testament to performance, not reliability. Also the rider. I think the percentage of bike that need to be brought back to dealer due to failure, as good measurement of reliability.

A company can have one bike go million miles and thousand go 100, and will say they quality control problem. I don't know how you can't.


As for warranties, I did not miss you had 7 bikes without warranties. You said there were competition bikes. Off the floor bike all have warranties. How well there customer service is varies.

 

[Trials]

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Of all the major companies, BMW has the worse reliability.

I have a concours, but it is such a rattle trap, and has failed me....

Your BMW is 30 years old. What does that have to do with state of BMW now?....

Only that my BMW is apparently proving to be more reliable then your Kawasaki long after the warranty has expired. I guess you should have bought a K100 instead.

 

[Trials]

Would I buy another BMW today? Yes I would, but I recently bought an MV Agusta so my wife would not be very impressed.