BLACK OIL QUESTION

[Iowachild]

<font color="blue"> At least here in Michigan, the difference between "off road" and "on road" diesel, aside from the road use tax is only red dye. </font>

I work for an oil refinery in PA. The only difference in on and off road diesel is the red dye. It's all about taxes folks! We are at this time in the midst of a turn-around on our large diesel hydrotreating unit to ready it to produce ultra low sulfur diesel. My understanding is LSD was 0.05% sulfur (or 500 ppm) down to 15 ppm for the ULSD.

 

[5030]

Iowachild:

Nice rack and I don't mean anything personal /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Used to haul refinery products years ago when it was top load bottom unload, pre vapor recovery. Along comes the EPA, Haz-Mat Endorsements and a bunch of extra work.

 

[LBrown59]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( <font color="blue"> At least here in Michigan, the difference between "off road" and "on road" diesel, aside from the road use tax is only red dye. </font>

I work for an oil refinery in PA.
1* The only difference in on and off road diesel is the red dye.
2*It's all about taxes folks! . )</font>
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1*Yep and the dye don't change the sulfur content of the diesel fuel.
2*Exactly.

 

[5030]

LBrown:

I still maintain that if our founding fathers were around today, they'd roll over in their graves.

I don't think that what the Gummit is today is what they envisioned. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

 

[Builder]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Mr. Pup:

At least here in Michigan, the difference between "off road" and "on road" diesel, aside from the road use tax is only red dye.

All diesel sold here is LSD. 1-01-2007 will be ULSD. There is going to be a lot of leaky pumps in 2007 as well as scored injector tips. )</font>

Yeah when Katrina hit they were letting us run red for a while here in PA.

ULSD is scaring me. What's it gonna do to my DT466? It's my baby and I don't want her gettin' hurt. /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif Should I start adding any diesel additives like Howes, etc. in the summer instead of just winter?

 

[5030]

L39Builder:

Your DT466 will suffer injector cup blues and a leaking pump most likely.

There is a much cheaper way to achieve lubrication and that is good old Dextron/Mercon ATF. A quart to 100 gallons of ULSD should do the trick. All the Caterpillar certified mechanics at work agree on that. I add it to my bulk tank as well as a cup or two of Lucas fuel conditioner.

I have also heard that B20 will provide lubrication but until the Gummit gets the cost of B20 in line with No.2, I'll use the ATF and Lucas....it's cheaper.

 

[Builder]

Thanks Darrel,

I had heard of guys adding ATF to diesel, but never tried it. I've only used additives. I guess it'll soon be time to add the ATF!

 

[BryanMA]

As for the black oil, if you were driving diesels 20 years ago, this was they way they all were. The two big things that changed that were turbochargers and electronic injection controls. Modern auto/truck diesels are all electronically controlled and are "drive by wire" there is no accelerator cable anymore. The diesels in the tractors are pretty much using 20 year old technology, and would not be allowed on the road. As for lubrication in diesel, one of the best is biodiesel. It may become common to run 2-3% biodiesel with the ultra low sulfur fuel for lube purposes.

-bryan

 

[Builder]

Less than that. Even 15 years ago. My '92 is a mechanical diesel. I think IH ran them into '95.

Some CATs may have gone to '96+/-.

 

[Ob1kubota]

Bryan what is the lubricating ingredient in Bio? Animal fat?
All of my ComEd 6.0s spend more time in the shop than on the job because the Bio keeps the fuel filters plugged. Seimen's can't reman injectors quick enough for the FORD G-2 system. Hello vitron plungers 2007 EPA particulate filtered road dog diesels ULSD fuels. /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif