Bobcat Compact Tractor

   / Bobcat Compact Tractor #41  
I thought that the Bobcat tractor would have at least different sheet-metal from the Kioti/Daedong, but they look identical!

As for the conversation about whether Bobcat, Kioti, Mahindra and Cub Cadet Yanmar would last, I think they probably all will. Kioti has been here for at least 20 years, Mahindra at least 15, and Cub Cadet has an established reputation, (although I think it's been going downhill).

Mahindra is currently the 3rd largest tractor manufacturer/marketer in the world, and is set to become #1 in the next year or two, believe it or not. They currently sell under three brand names with a fourth as a joint venture marketing company. In the USA, they import not only from their home plants in India, but also import and rebadge Mitsubishi's from Japan, and Tong Yang's from S.Korea.

Cub Cadet used to import Mitsubishi's, but switched to Daedong machines (8000 series) and some they assembled using Daihatsu engines. The joint with Yanmar is interesting as Yanmar still builds compacts for John Deere! Yanmar, of course, used to import their own tractors to the US in the 80s.

The other compacts that we've seen come and go are mainly the Chinese ones. Anyone can order a crate of tractors from one of the more than 50 factories in China, sell them, and then be out of business within a year.

However, we've seen other, more established brands on the world market, not make it here... Lamborghini, Hurlimann, Same (all owned by Same Deutz-Fahr, which continues with the DF brand in the USA).

I'd keep an eye on Montana, Farmtrac, Mahindra, McCormick/Landini... they all seem to really be making inroads and seem committed.

Branson, by Kukje in S.Korea, (also a supplier/licensee of John Deere), seems to be holding its own.

Belarus, Zetor, TYM... not so sure.
 
   / Bobcat Compact Tractor #42  
Bobcat has a very good brand name + established dealer network. I do not know how they position themselves in the skid steer market, but from my conversation at a dealer, I do not think they see themselves as a "seller of chepaer tractors". More like a "seller of the repsected/established/quality Bobcat brand name from a major dealer". Not priced to buy market share, but to uphold their brand value with a high name-brand price. they seem to ignore any comparisons to Kioti. Not a bad plan for the long term.
 
   / Bobcat Compact Tractor #43  
HPDrifter said:
I had a chance to take a look at the new Bobcats at the National Western Stock show here in Denver last weekend. Nice enough machine but they definetly need to do some dealer training. Also there price was way to high for a company trying to get market share. Quote was in the 18 1/2k range on the 25 horse model. Biggest laugh was I asked him what the specs were on the loader and he changed the subject to point out there nice cup holder.

I don't know why they even bothered having those 2 machines there. The guy I talked to was quoting the specs right off the cut sheet, and since there wasn't a cut sheet for the 25 hp machine, nor actual loader lift specs on the 230 cut sheet, he couldn't give me that info.

At least they were consistent with their overpricing - they told me 19k for the 30 hp machine w/loader. Guess they don't plan on getting much market share.
 
   / Bobcat Compact Tractor #44  
Sounds like they are planning on selling to current skid customers that want a tractor and like one stop shopping/support.

Only time will tell if enough of that customer base is willing to pay more for the BC name.
 
   / Bobcat Compact Tractor #45  
kevanos said:
Mahindra is currently the 3rd largest tractor manufacturer/marketer in the world, and is set to become #1 in the next year or two, believe it or not.

Don't believe it. I know they tell people that, but it simply can't be true. Their own website says they have a total manufacturing capacity of 120,000 units a year. Kubota alone sells double that in just the USA, which is not even half of their global sales... and Kubota's not even on the radar when it comes to being a large tractor manufacturer. The likes of CNH, Agco and Deere are somthing it would make Manhindra the next 50 years to achieve even given substantial levels of consistant growth.
 
   / Bobcat Compact Tractor #47  
MessickFarmEqu said:
Don't believe it. I know they tell people that, but it simply can't be true. Their own website says they have a total manufacturing capacity of 120,000 units a year. Kubota alone sells double that in just the USA, which is not even half of their global sales... and Kubota's not even on the radar when it comes to being a large tractor manufacturer. The likes of CNH, Agco and Deere are somthing it would make Manhindra the next 50 years to achieve even given substantial levels of consistant growth.

I'm with Neil on this one.
 
   / Bobcat Compact Tractor #49  
MessickFarmEqu said:
Neil is a shining example of truth and knowledge in all that he says. :D -- "IslandTractor"


Thanks for that insightful quote, "Island Tractor". :D It's obvious you hold Neil in very high regard. :rolleyes:
 

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