Jinman; This is a 1999 tc-29; it has served me well as it has a 7500 woods backhoe on it and I do light excavating with it; it has turf tires as I am on "nice" lawns alot doing downspout lines or drain systems, and many times I barely squeeze thru spots with a TC 29. Next size frame would not make it thru. I am ready to by a TC 33 and have emailed New Holland many times about the brakes and when they plan on changing the brakes since they did it on tc-35 and up; also they could go to 2 ranges also. You read my post about the range selection problem. I have asked them about many things that need improvement but they never give you an answer. I asked about when they will eliminate glow plugs like there larger tractors and the botas that have gone to direct injection; they start very nicely. Mine has little over 1000 hours on it and ready to trade but New Holland will not give me any answers to when they intend to revise the tc- 33 models. frustrating!
brake pedals on tc-29d
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Dave, I think it may be a waste of your time trying to get NH to change that design. Their concern is probably (just guessing) how many configurations they can put on a single platform. MikePA's assessment that they use as close to the same platform for gear and hydro tractors is probably the one I agree with most. It's more about marketing than engineering. Many people like Murph have come to accept the tractor as it is and have adapted to it's layout quite well. If New Holland is like most companies, their engineers are looking at the competition's products and figuring out how they can match them feature for feature rather than figuring out just exactly what the end-user wants most. Competition drives innovation more than anything else in today's market.
I understand your needing a smaller platform to do the kind of work you do with your tractor and my suggestion of trading it on another one was only in jest. I've been so happy with the layout of my tractor from the very beginning that I just can't pass up the opportunity to brag. That's in a Texan's nature, you know. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
I understand your needing a smaller platform to do the kind of work you do with your tractor and my suggestion of trading it on another one was only in jest. I've been so happy with the layout of my tractor from the very beginning that I just can't pass up the opportunity to brag. That's in a Texan's nature, you know. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
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Jim, although I agree with your reasoning, I still think thats a pretty poor reason. The hydro tranny is obvioulsly different than the gear, in many other ways. Even if the range levers were the same (not sure if they are or not) the gear model requires all that extra linkage for the gear shift, and the hydro model has the hydro pedal and its associated linkage. Leaving the brakes the same, even when it creates a very difficult if not almost unusable situation just seems to have been a bad decision. Given NH might have made the decision based on the financials, I think the engineers (assuming they new better) should have pushed harder. I looked briefly at a TC33D before deciding on my 40D, and this one thing convinced me the 33 was not the tractor for me.
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I still think thats a pretty poor reason. )</font>
I think it's a very, very poor reason too. The design is awful for those of us who grew up using differential braking/steering and love it. Heck, where would skid steers be without differential braking/drive? /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif ...I guess the answer is in a straight line. /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
I'm just hoping that CNH will see the innovation in the Deere 4x20 line of tractors and the 400CX loader as a threat to their profits. Maybe we'll get some "good stuff" out of that even if they do charge us more for it. Some similar improvements and a hydro tranny for the TC48 & TC55 would surely be a big seller for them. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
I think it's a very, very poor reason too. The design is awful for those of us who grew up using differential braking/steering and love it. Heck, where would skid steers be without differential braking/drive? /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif ...I guess the answer is in a straight line. /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
I'm just hoping that CNH will see the innovation in the Deere 4x20 line of tractors and the 400CX loader as a threat to their profits. Maybe we'll get some "good stuff" out of that even if they do charge us more for it. Some similar improvements and a hydro tranny for the TC48 & TC55 would surely be a big seller for them. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Many people like Murph have come to accept the tractor as it is and have adapted to it's layout quite well. )</font>
Growing up on farms unless you had a hand clutch the clutch was alway on the left side, and the brakes on the right side. Using the foot brake to help steer you used your right foot. When I drive a car or truck today the gas is on the right and we use our right foot for the brake and our left for the clutch if it exist. All the large tractors have the clutch on the left and brakes on the right. Any scenario out there is something we all can get use to. I think the original poster was referring to useing the brakes to assist turning. I did it a lot many years ago, but with my compact I have never had a reason too do it. Even with my tiller on the back and no weight on the front I have not had to use the brakes to turn. I like the New Holland because it is what I am use to, what I grew up around. I really have a hard time having brakes on the left or the hydro pedal on the left. Just my personal preference. We have the different makes out there and they all view it different. Even New Holland views it different from tractor to tractor. Class ll versus Class lll
murph
Growing up on farms unless you had a hand clutch the clutch was alway on the left side, and the brakes on the right side. Using the foot brake to help steer you used your right foot. When I drive a car or truck today the gas is on the right and we use our right foot for the brake and our left for the clutch if it exist. All the large tractors have the clutch on the left and brakes on the right. Any scenario out there is something we all can get use to. I think the original poster was referring to useing the brakes to assist turning. I did it a lot many years ago, but with my compact I have never had a reason too do it. Even with my tiller on the back and no weight on the front I have not had to use the brakes to turn. I like the New Holland because it is what I am use to, what I grew up around. I really have a hard time having brakes on the left or the hydro pedal on the left. Just my personal preference. We have the different makes out there and they all view it different. Even New Holland views it different from tractor to tractor. Class ll versus Class lll
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I like the New Holland because it is what I am use to, what I grew up around. I really have a hard time having brakes on the left or the hydro pedal on the left. )</font>
That's a good point about the clutch on the left and the brakes on the right. I tend to forget about the clutch on the Class II hydros because my Class III has no clutch at all. If I didn't have the brake pedals over there on the left, my poor left foot would probably get bored. All it would ever do is step on the differential lock. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif Frankly, all I use my brake for is differential braking and a parking brake. I always stop the tractor by lifting my foot off the hydro pedal. Rarely when I'm on a steep hill I will step on the brake. Most of the time I just feather the hydro pedal unless I'm changing ranges on hillside.
If I had a clutch and brake pedals on the left, I'd probably do something stupid like step on the brake when I meant to step on the clutch and vice-versa. /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
That's a good point about the clutch on the left and the brakes on the right. I tend to forget about the clutch on the Class II hydros because my Class III has no clutch at all. If I didn't have the brake pedals over there on the left, my poor left foot would probably get bored. All it would ever do is step on the differential lock. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif Frankly, all I use my brake for is differential braking and a parking brake. I always stop the tractor by lifting my foot off the hydro pedal. Rarely when I'm on a steep hill I will step on the brake. Most of the time I just feather the hydro pedal unless I'm changing ranges on hillside.
If I had a clutch and brake pedals on the left, I'd probably do something stupid like step on the brake when I meant to step on the clutch and vice-versa. /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I really have a hard time having brakes on the left or the hydro pedal on the left. )</font>
I think, like you said elsewhere in your post, that you can get use to having it either way. My 1720 had the brakes on the right, and clutch on the left. Now my 40D has the hydro on the right and brakes on the left. As my Dad now has my 1720, and I still occasionally use it, it takes me all of about 5 minutes to adjust. I think even if you've never used either setup, and even if you are use to an old clutched automobile (as I was to a small degree), you can operate either setup/side relatively easy. I know I'm probably preaching to the choir here, but, NH made it really awkward, putting the hydro pedal and brakes on the same side. Heck, I almost think they might have been better to put the hydro on the left. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif ... well maybe not.
I am supprised you never use your brakes to aid in steering. I still find myself in enough tight places or wanting to make a fairly abrupt turn, that the brakes come in fairly handy. Maybe it's a case that since the brakes are awkward, you've done without. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
I think, like you said elsewhere in your post, that you can get use to having it either way. My 1720 had the brakes on the right, and clutch on the left. Now my 40D has the hydro on the right and brakes on the left. As my Dad now has my 1720, and I still occasionally use it, it takes me all of about 5 minutes to adjust. I think even if you've never used either setup, and even if you are use to an old clutched automobile (as I was to a small degree), you can operate either setup/side relatively easy. I know I'm probably preaching to the choir here, but, NH made it really awkward, putting the hydro pedal and brakes on the same side. Heck, I almost think they might have been better to put the hydro on the left. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif ... well maybe not.
I am supprised you never use your brakes to aid in steering. I still find myself in enough tight places or wanting to make a fairly abrupt turn, that the brakes come in fairly handy. Maybe it's a case that since the brakes are awkward, you've done without. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
It is not a problem with change or getting used to a change. The set up now can not be used. I can adopt to how ever they change it. I use my FEL more than any other attachment and when grading 90% of the time the front wheels are off the ground thus needing the brakes to "steer". I wonder what the % of sales are in the TC- 29/ 33 ? More hydros vs sticks or vice vs. If financials are all the CNH is looking at the brand is in trouble. Inovation is key to be successful. You will not survive in the marketplace by copying your competitor. Jinman; I did look at stepping up to a TC 45 because of the features like the joystick and range selector on joystick. What now worries me is how long CNH takes to correct problems; like Joystick; oil cooler lines on tc 29; foot pedals, tilt column rust up. These are all very simple fixes for an engineer to remedy. All he has to do is read this site!!!!!
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( What now worries me is how long CNH takes to correct problems; like Joystick; oil cooler lines on tc 29; foot pedals, tilt column rust up. These are all very simple fixes for an engineer to remedy. All he has to do is read this site!!!!! )</font>
Every manufacture has their quirks out there. And they don't fix it over night. In fact once they figure out they have a problem then it may take even a year after that to come up with a solution to fix. You also need to understand one thing. New Holland along with every other tractor manufacture and I am even going to include automobiles, appliances and just about everything made in this world will have engineers design things and if the product was then left alone it probably would be a great product, but there is this little thing called competition and overpricing. So these manufactures after their engineer designs a product the manufacture will then hire an outside source engineer to pull the over engineering out of it. That is why there is problems out there but if they didn't do that we would pay twice as much for the tractor. So to say New Holland takes too long to fix things is not right because that is the same story with every manufacture.
murph
Every manufacture has their quirks out there. And they don't fix it over night. In fact once they figure out they have a problem then it may take even a year after that to come up with a solution to fix. You also need to understand one thing. New Holland along with every other tractor manufacture and I am even going to include automobiles, appliances and just about everything made in this world will have engineers design things and if the product was then left alone it probably would be a great product, but there is this little thing called competition and overpricing. So these manufactures after their engineer designs a product the manufacture will then hire an outside source engineer to pull the over engineering out of it. That is why there is problems out there but if they didn't do that we would pay twice as much for the tractor. So to say New Holland takes too long to fix things is not right because that is the same story with every manufacture.
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I guess there is a big difference between the class II and III. On my TC29d I use the parking brake function and that's it. The turning radius is pretty good without the brakes.
Any clue why my brakes make a scrubbing sound when applied while moving? I figure it's just from lack of use.
Any clue why my brakes make a scrubbing sound when applied while moving? I figure it's just from lack of use.
