BT751 Backhoe strength / Force?

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I am trying to compare several backhoe capabilities but I am not able to find the specifications on a B21 Backhoe which I believe is a BT751. Kubota has removed the specs off of their website ever since the B26 has been introduced. If anyone has the backhoe bucket force (lbs) and dipper force, that would be appreciated.

Thanks
SAS
 
   / BT751 Backhoe strength / Force? #2  
I am trying to compare several backhoe capabilities but I am not able to find the specifications on a B21 Backhoe which I believe is a BT751. Kubota has removed the specs off of their website ever since the B26 has been introduced. If anyone has the backhoe bucket force (lbs) and dipper force, that would be appreciated.

Thanks
SAS

About the back hoe its not as simple as that unfortunately;


What you are referring to is "crowding pressure or force"
it refers to the pressures generated by the excavating machine to do work at a base line measurement.

Digging sandstone rock, strip mined soft coal, and mud are very different animals and it is totally dependent upon the amount of overburden or the compaction of the soils being excavated ONLY in reference to the amount of pressure required to break the suction of the material being excavated.



That alone requires strain gauges to monitor the forces used to break materials in that sense.


What you are saddled with is the operating pressure of the hydraulic system which are regulated by the relief valve of the tractor or if the valve body has a single valve body relief valve or a relief valve for each function which is preferred to protect the machine.



The square area of the digging bucket opening cavity, teeth and bucket edges are all at work here and the bucket is nothing more than a receptacle for the material.


AN old easy trick to do while digging is simply fill the hole with water as yyou work to ease the digging as the water will go every where and aid in breaking the material as well as maintain the trench stability by filling the void created by the excavation.

You have to understand that the back hoe is only as good as the hydraulic cylinders which the builder picked to install on the back hoe based simply on economics.

Please read

The square are of the cylinder piston in use and the pressure generated by the cylinder to do work are the issues here and you need to understand that the cylinders are picked only on price.

The huge mistake made by these builders is the cylinder position as the barrel end of the cylinder should be installed where the rod is is and that is a mistake on thier part collectively.



The upper boom, dipper boom an bucket cylinders are not assembled with internal stop tubes to aid in protecting the cylinder(s) and that is a mistake
as it is only saving them money and will cost you money when they are damaged.


It allows greater reach but it creates greater forces that will damage the cylinders. that has to be taken into account as they are selling a product that can do work and thats all.
 
   / BT751 Backhoe strength / Force? #3  
The specs used to be in a pdf file at the Kubota website. This rental website has the specs Cooke Rentals - Kubota B21 Backhoe

"Designed for deep-channel digging, the BT751 backhoe reaches down to a depth of 91.7 inches. The backhoe has a digging force using dipperstick cylinder of 1748 pounds, while the backhoe digging force with bucket cylinder is 3110 pounds. Two very powerful performers for easy excavation work.

The B21's new quick-mount system with reinforced frame is as strong as a conventional rigid mount and provides worry-free backhoe operation when the tractor is elevated by the stabilizers.

A 20 degree angle of departure gives you ample clearance, for example, when ascending inclines or when backing onto a trailer."

From my 1300+ feet of trenching in rock with my B21 I can tell you that the hoe is stronger than the traction provided by the stabilizers and the FEL bucket. But I believe that is the case with most hoes.
 
   / BT751 Backhoe strength / Force?
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Thanks for your reply - I happen to be a mechanical engineer therefore I am aware of the force output of the backhoe's design / hyd system.

My question was simply to look at how backhoes are rated (bucket and digging force) to determine which one has more digging capability.

I am looking a upgrading from my B21 to a L series tractor and I am deciding between one L series tractor with a 7 foot hoe and one that has a 9 foot hoe. I wanted to try to compare the digging capability of the 7 foot hoe to my B21's - thanks for the force of the BT751.

I do not really need 9 foot depth but may like the increased strength of the 9 foot hoe.

Thanks

Scott
 
   / BT751 Backhoe strength / Force? #5  
Thanks for your reply - I happen to be a mechanical engineer therefore I am aware of the force output of the backhoe's design / hyd system.

My question was simply to look at how backhoes are rated (bucket and digging force) to determine which one has more digging capability.

I am looking a upgrading from my B21 to a L series tractor and I am deciding between one L series tractor with a 7 foot hoe and one that has a 9 foot hoe. I wanted to try to compare the digging capability of the 7 foot hoe to my B21's - thanks for the force of the BT751.

I do not really need 9 foot depth but may like the increased strength of the 9 foot hoe.

Thanks

Scott


Hello Scott,

your really better served by

removing the upper boom,

lower boom and bucket cylinders,

and installing internal stop tubes

on the rod side of the cylinders.



The rule of thumb is one inch of stop

tube for every foot of fully extended length


So on the bucket cylinder you will lose 2 inches

of stroke, the lower boom three inches and the upper boom

three inches BUT YOU will never destroy a cylinder from the usual

stupidity built into these things by the builders of these back hoes

because they have too little piston surface area to add strength and

stability to the linear path of the cylinder rods.



You can order the bronze slugs from Mcmaster Carr and others.

The bronze slugs have to be 1/32 of an inch in diameter larger

than the rods diameter and 1/32 smaller in diameter than the inside

diameter of the cylinder barrel.


the rule is one inch of stop tube ber foot of extended length and

and one inch for any a partial measurement less than one foot.

If you do this you wont have cylinder problems from the

flexing and bending damage.
 

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