Building a fill station

[BobRip]

BobRip thanks for that explanation of the motor It was right to the point and understandable.Might I add That i learned about this type of motor when I used too large a pulley for my blower on one, It ran, but took awhile to do the switching part, which eventually urned into a smoke show, of cource the blower continued to flow the smoke through the house.
I sure cant fault the HF motor for this mistake. It clearly was mine.Apparently the pulley has to be sized so that the starter winding doesn't run long.

The regular winding was probably also overloaded. You should always check the running current on a new design to make sure that the operating current is not higher that the rated current.

 

[LarryD]

Well, I got everything wired and ran a quick test using air to activate the relay. All worked as planned. I filled the tank (ok, emptied about 17gl) and fired it up. The pump ran long enough to fill the filter and hose then shut off as designed.

I had a little delay this past weekend when the pressure switch I purchased closed at around 20psi instead of opening. I was so focused on having the switch activate the relay to turn the pump on that I just knew I needed a different switch. I went to a couple different auto parts stores but all the oil pressure switches close at their rated pressures. I kept thinking I wanted the active relay to engage the pump. Then, after I went to bed Sunday night, it dawned on me that it really doesn't matter what the switch does, I've got a relay that has 2 N.O. and 2 N.C. contacts. DUH, just use one of the normally closed contacts. Almost made me want to get up and go test the setup but as I said earlier, I've got another fuel project that pays the bills.

It did cycle every few seconds as the pressure would bleed off but when I actually filled the tank there wasn't enough time between stopping the fill nozzle and turning around to secure the pump.

Anybody need a couple of yellow diesel containers?

 

[George2615]

Great job Larry. How do you plan on refilling? Do you load it up in your truck and take it to the station to fill or will you have fuel delivered?

 

[LarryD]

At this point I plan on loading it in the truck and filling at the station myself.

I might see what the local co-op charges for delivery but I'm sure it will be better to fill myself.

 

[George2615]

I'd agree with you on filling it yourself. All fuel companies in my area are only willing to deliver if you take 150 gallon or more. That's wouldn't be a problem for me since I use fuel for heating so I'd just have them top off a day tank (if I had one) during a regular fuel delivery. I don't use enough tractor fuel at this time to warrant building a caddy so I keep my 5 gallon jugs filled.
Just be careful unloading your full caddy since it will weigh about 500 lb counting the fuel and caddy weight.

 

[LBrown59]

Yeah my hat's off to him too.

Great job Larry.

 

[LBrown59]

Great job Larry. How do you plan on refilling? Do you load it up in your truck and take it to the station to fill or will you have fuel delivered?

I get 55 gallon at a time delivered.
I could go as low as a 30 gallon delivery but i designed my set up for 55 gallon fill ups.

1*At this point I plan on loading it in the truck and filling at the station myself.
2*I might see what the local co-op charges for delivery but I'm sure it will be better to fill myself.

1*If I was going to pick up the fuel I would not take my set up to the fuel station.
2*Cost me the same per gallon to pick it up as it does to have it delivered so I don't bother witn running after it.

 

[LBrown59]

2*I'd agree with you on filling it yourself.
4*All fuel companies in my area are only willing to deliver if you take 150 gallon or more.
6*That's wouldn't be a problem for me since I use fuel for heating so I'd just have them top off a day tank
8*(if I had one) during a regular fuel delivery.
10*I don't use enough tractor fuel at this time to warrant building a caddy so I keep my 5 gallon jugs filled.
12*Just be careful unloading your full caddy since it will weigh about 500 lb counting the fuel and caddy weight.

2*I would not assume I couldn't get home delivery simply because of a 150 Gal Min delivery policy.
4*All 3 fuel companies in my area have a 150 Gal Min delivery policy also , but there is a way to get around it.
6*It's not a problem for me even tough I don't heat with that fuel.
8*I have one that they will top off even though it would only take 30 to 55 gallon of fuel
10*I don't justify my set up based on the volume of fuel I use but rather by the following criteria .
Here is my list of reasons - purposes for building a fuel storage system arranged by order of importance to me. They are not based on Volume of fuel used.
1*CONVENIENCE: Easier to use than cans and manual filling.
2*Less messy than using and pouring from cans and fewer spills.
3* cost savings of off road over on road fuel.
4* enables home delivery of fuel in many if not most cases.
5* saving money by stocking up by buying when prices are down when and if practical.
The happy medium is #3 that is always available every time you buy in any market climate.
Is it worth it to build a fuel setup?
Yes, if you use 5 or more gal per month.
I leave you with this thought.
Keep in mind 60 gal of fuel is 12 of those mean old awkward hard to handle 5 gal cans.
12*I don't unload any drums or caddy's of fuel even if I go to the fuel station and get a drum of fuel myself.

 

[LarryD]

Here is my list of reasons - purposes for building a fuel storage system arranged by order of importance to me. They are not based on Volume of fuel used.
1*CONVENIENCE: Easier to use than cans and manual filling.
2*Less messy than using and pouring from cans and fewer spills.
3* cost savings of off road over on road fuel.
4* enables home delivery of fuel in many if not most cases.
5* saving money by stocking up by buying when prices are down when and if practical.
The happy medium is #3 that is always available every time you buy in any market climate.
Is it worth it to build a fuel setup?
Yes, if you use 5 or more gal per month.
I leave you with this thought.
Keep in mind 60 gal of fuel is 12 of those mean old awkward hard to handle 5 gal cans.
12*I don't unload any drums or caddy's of fuel even if I go to the fuel station and get a drum of fuel myself.

It's hard to argue with any of those reasons Mr. Brown.
As for the cost savings of red diesel, around here that can be huge. Washington state is right up near the top for fuel taxes, and still can't manage to build an adequate road structure.

There is not a lot of homes using heating oil in my area so not a lot of businesses that deliver fuel, unless it's propane.

I will visit the only diesel delivery service in my town and see what their prices are. Can't hurt to ask.

 

[LBrown59]

It's hard to argue with any of those reasons Mr. Brown.
As for the cost savings of red diesel, around here that can be huge. Washington state is right up near the top for fuel taxes, and still can't manage to build an adequate road structure.

1*There is not a lot of homes using heating oil in my area so not a lot of businesses that deliver fuel, unless it's propane.

2*I will visit the only diesel delivery service in my town and see what their prices are. Can't hurt to ask.

1*There is only one fuel here for homes and or diesel engines.
Not many homes use it to heat with but lots of farmers contractors and excavators and several business use it in their engines.
They must because there are 3 fuel distrubitors with several trucks delivering it all over the county.
*Their trucks go past my place all the time.
*That's the key to getting less than the Min delivered .
They are already here so it don't cost them anything to make a special trip to me.
An extra 55 gallon sale to me is just extra gravey for them.
2*A very good idea.