Building a new house - need advice

   / Building a new house - need advice #21  
Torrak said:
Hi all,

My wife and I have decided to build a new house on the back half of our property.

While I would like to use a general contractor, she would like me to act as the GC and subcontract all the labor to save some money.

My question is, is this feasible for someone who has never built or had a house built before? If it is truly money saving, does anyone have any tips, advice, etc? I do have all summer off as I am a teacher so I am able to be onsite every day, so time is not a problem, it is more of an experience/knowledge problem.

Thanks in advance,

Joe

flusher here again.
Forgot to mention in my previous posting that an important factor in my decision to pass on the self-GC option was the difficulty in getting liability insurance to cover my rear end during the construction work. I thought that I had some lined up with a major insurer buy that fell through because I didn't have a CA contractor's license. Also you have to be sure to check on the current insurance of any sub you hire (workers comp, additional liability, theft, etc).
 
   / Building a new house - need advice #22  
I plan on GC my little apt.

subs will have to have there own insurance (which they should have anyway)

I have many contacts/friends in the area that are builders and are willing to "lend" me there subs as they know my project is a "small" job. = get done quick.

I did construction/contract work for a living in the past and plan to do a lot of the work myself. I know what the work should look like.

I plan on useing prebuilt wall pannels and trusses. While there might be an addtional cost for the prebuilt materials, it saves in time and compelexity of framing the structure.

while tackleing my little 900 sqft job seems to be a huge undertakeing, a "real" house would be daunting at this point. (even with my past experience)
 
   / Building a new house - need advice #23  
Re-read EddieWalers last post #20, very valuable.

We just built a but the boss said we are hiring a contractor so that I am not living in a partially finished house for the next five years. She wanted the house totally finished the day we moved in.

You will need to be there every day, light switch placement, light fixture placement, on and on. As you are building there will be things that you want to add or change.

There was a great thread on here about the things people did or would do on their next house, look it up to get some ideas.

Another thing we found out, was if we hired a GC our financing rate would be 1/2 (I think or 3/4) percent lower than if we were our own general contractor. Factor that in over 15 or 30 years and see how much you really save, that was the real big selling factor for us hiring a GC.

also there are builders that will give you a bid with all basic contractor special junk and thier are contractors that give bids with higher quality stuff. Kohler toilets can range in rice from $99.00 to over $500.00, which one did the contractor put in the bid? Same with cabinets, flooring, roofing, appliances.

steve
 
   / Building a new house - need advice #24  
Torrak: Just my two cents worth here. IF you do decide to go ahead with the project, make sure that you (or someone) wires each room to the max. I don't only mean electrically, but for the information age as well. I must have been day dreaming when I had mine built. I was in the electronics field and came down every night to check on the progress of my raised ranch...never even thinking a bit about the future. I never thought of stereo wiring, tv wiring let alone fiber for all of the rooms. Would have been simple to do at the time but now that everything is all sealed up, it would be a nightmare to do now.

Good luck with the project.
Jon
 
   / Building a new house - need advice
  • Thread Starter
#25  
Wow, I didn't expect this many replies!

Thank you all for the excellent information. I think after reading this thread, I will go ahead and hire a GC to do the job (just like I wanted to do).

Now my question would be.. what is a fair price for GC's? I know they vary by region, but any going rates would be a good basis to go by.

So far I have had them range from $85/sq ft to over $115/sq ft (using travertine in the bath's, hard wood floors, and marble tile countertops).

Thanks again!

Joe
 
   / Building a new house - need advice #26  
Torrak,

Where are you located?

Those prices seem low at least for the wet side. With those things at least.

steve
 
   / Building a new house - need advice
  • Thread Starter
#27  
Actually I am over on the dry side in Yakima =)
 
   / Building a new house - need advice #28  
We GC'd our own house, and I cantell you:

1. You can save money (20% just for GC, more if you also do some of the work yourself), but only if mistakes are kept to a minimum. Also, you need to shop, shop, shop. Paying "Retail" for stuff at the normal builder's showrooms is unnecessary. As the GC, you should get the same price as other GC' PLUS the referall incentive! Also, Home Depot, Lowes, etc are typically competitive enough with the trade suppliers and willing to spend the time with an amatuer.

2. Make sure your construction loan has a long enough term. Your bank is sure to old you hostage if the term comes due and the house is not done. Hostage to the tune of another 1% fee to extend 3 months. Serious profiteering. Personally, I'd negotiate a 2-year construction loan with any extensions pre-negotiated in writing. Maybe adjustable rate, but no huge fees to extend.

3. Don't be tempted to do all the "easy" stuff yourself. The easy stuff isn't expensive and you will be slower and even less productive than the pros at it. You will end up "making" like minimum wage on your time.

4. Changes kill the schedule and the budget. Make sure your plans are exactly what you want and are fully detailed including all fixtures, electrical placement, cabinetry, heating plan, etc.

5. Get as many recommendations as you can for subs. Our best lead was form the lumber yard for a framing sub. He was well conencted and well-respected in town and gave us a bunch of other leads.

6. We got a lot of leads for subs from touring parade-of-homes. if your not building your own house, you might not notice it, but they typically kick in part of the fee in echange for having their company name on the sign or on the bruchure. One builder bragged he had the best and cheapest stucco crew in town. he was right and that crew was happy to work for us as well.

7. Personal appreciation goes a long way. I don't know anybody who doesn't like feeling like somebody cares. Don't spend all day jabbering with the workers when they should be working, but at the beginnign or end of the day, be sure and take a chance to express your appreciation of their hard work. Doin't just talk to the supervisor - make every crew member feel appreciated. Something that went over big on our prject - we kept a fridge stocked with pop (Mt Dew, of course) on site for the workers. Anytime anybody worked overtime or on a Saturday, we either cooked or brought food. There was cold beer in that fridge too with the understanding it was just for one at the end of the day. The cost of the pop was maybe $100 to $200 over the course of the project. We easily got that back in extra little touches and refinements that would never appear on any spec or bid.

8. Being GC is a full time job. My wife wasn' working, so we split the work between her doing the bid-gathering, scheduling, accounting, check-writing, bank-draw prep, and some of the shopping. I answered all the technical quesitons and did all the gopher work. Plan to spend a lot of time on-site (we lived on the lot already in another small building during construction, so I was on-site every morning for at least an hour, and my wife was there all day).

9. Many little crappy things fall into the GC's lap. Most pros would have a gopher or two to take care of these things. If you can do them yourself, then you are all set. Otherwise, find somebody handy you can hire on a sporadic basis. For example, erosion control, site cleanup & dumpsters, moving other trade's stuff out of the way, storage of materials, running for misc. supplies, returning incorrect or broken stuff, etc.

10. Don't antogonize the building inspectors. Whatever they tell you needs to be corrected, make sure you understand what it is and get it fixed and have them come back. Keeping them on your good side is important for when you have time critical inspections like concrete forms set in the morning that need to be inspected late morning (t before lunch) for an afternoon pour.

11. You can often open an account with supply houses even without a contractor's license. Just call and say you want to setup an account. They will fax you a credit application. Fill it out and send it in. Don't lie on the space that asks for your license number - just leave it blank.

12. Get your own umbrella policy for the project. Make sure all your subs send you proof of insurance. Have their agent fax it to you.

13. When we built, a fax machine was a must. Nowdays, e-mail might be more in use, but I bet you will still want to have a fax machine. We used one of those services that forwards the faxes to your e-mail.

14. Besides trying to work with subs on schedule, the other thing that will slow you down tremendously is trying to do too much yourself. For example, knowing something about electricity, I took on both the wiring and heating rough-in for our whole house (in MN, an owner-occupier can do their own electrical without a license). Heating took me a month, and wiring (power and low voltage) another 6 weeks, and meanwhile everything on the interior came to a standstill. Problem was, I was doing it evenings and weekends. Maybe 20 hours per week. I was maybe 1/2 to 1/3 the speed of an experienced electrician, and there was just me. A wiring crew would have brought in 3 or 4 experienced guys and had it done in less than a week. In comparison, plumbing rough-in done by pros, took about 3 days, for example.

It works best to have yourself committed to only one smaller piece during each pahse of the prject. I should have picked one rough-in trade to do myself, not three. After that I learned. I did the railings, but we hired a guy to put in the stairs. I installed the appliances, but we hired a guy to put in the cabinets, etc. These arrangements also gave me somebody experienced to work with.
 
   / Building a new house - need advice #29  
If you try to build your new home as a GC, without prior experience; you will get plenty of it through the course of construction!! The definition of experience is: "something that has happened to you, that you wished happened to someone else!!" It will also test your marriage!! Even with a contractor, or sub contractors, doesn't mean they will show up on schedule for various reasons, that will bog the project down. I built a large home during the "Jimmy Carter ERA," when contractors were standing on the street corner looking for work, and under bidding the job, till a better one was offered, and disappeared. I also wouldn't have a friend or neighbor build it either, buy the time the project is in it's final phase you may no longer be friends or neighborly? It's that constant pressure of physical, mental, and financial pressure. Good Luck!!
 
   / Building a new house - need advice #30  
There's a lot that i can agree with on the above posts baout being your own gc. As my name suggests, I am a lawer by trade. we just built a house in a new neighborhood with a GC and frankly, next time I will do it myself. The gc we got does a bunch of homes, but I found him to be substandard, despite glowing referrals.

The problem is I grew up swinging a hammer and helping my dad fix things. In addition my grandfather was a master carpenter, so i weaned on this stuff. Plus, I have renovated houses, and done lots of my own home improvements over the years. Frankly, I enjoy the work.

If you are inexperienced, I would start with a smaller project to test your mettle. For instance we left our basement completely unfinished and i am doing the finishing. It is slow going because with my work schedule I only work part time on it. It's been 7 months but I have done all the designing, purhcasing, framing, plumbing, electric (in ky owners can pull their own permits on plumbing and electric), hvac. I am subbing out the drywall work, too much heavy labor and if it is done very well the whole job looks like crap. So far it's coming out well and the only issue is my kids are bucking for my to get it done so they can move down there.

By the time i'm done i will have about 15k in it, all custom work and trim etc. The estimate i got for the same job was just over 50k. So you can save money bigtime. However, it takes much moe time than you would expect. i figured i'd be done by the end of the summer. Now, i'm shooting for Thanksgiving.

Take on a small project like a basement, see how you like dealing with subs or doing some of your own work. You won't risk as much, and it will show you whether or not you want to deal with a project 10 times as big.

Good luck
 

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