Building pipe fence and concrete

   / Building pipe fence and concrete #11  
I have always mixed the concrete in the hole. Put the pipe post in, start running water in, start pouring dry concrete mix, top it off with a little water and move on. On a couple of big pipe posts (hanging a 6' x 14' gate in the crowding tub) I used the same procedure but also mixed the concrete/water with a 1/2" pipe as we were pouting it in. I agree it is important to build up the concrete around the post to reduce rust.
 
   / Building pipe fence and concrete #12  
By mixing the concrete with the proper amount of water, you get the maximum strength to the concrete. The proper amount is very little. The more water you ad to the mix, the weaker it becomes. To pour concrete into a post hole means you either have to add a lot of water to it, or you need to vibrate it, and even then, there is probably going to be voids.

Pouring it in dry means you have no voids, but since it's not mixed properly and the water amount isn't right and the curing time can be all over the place due to the amount of moisture that is either poured into the hole and/or comes from the soil, the end result is also not as strong as properly mixing it.

Having said all that, it really doesn't matter what the strength of the cured concrete is when it's all said and done. What matters is that the concrete is solid in the hole and it's holding onto the post with total contact with the wall of the hole. The goal of the concrete is to secure the post in place so it wont move. Both methods do this, but one is more work and a lot more time. The only time I take the extra step of mixing concrete for a post is when I'm installing my street lights, which are 14 feet above the ground. I think that extra work is worth the piece of mind it gives me, plus it guarantees that it will cure properly in a couple of days and I can remove my support bracing without fear of any movement.

Eddie
 
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Thank you for all the feedback

Yes, I'm south of Crawford, NE.

Our climate is pretty dry with a sandy based soil but we've had good rain this spring and the ground should be moist at least 4ft down. Maybe I could get away with dry mix (or mixing it in the hole) for the 2 3/8" line posts. For the 3 1/2" gate posts, alleyway posts, and crowding area posts perhaps I will mix that before pouring it in the hole. Moisture isn't much of problems in terms of rusting out posts here, manure is much harder on them.

Additional feedback on dry mix, pre-mixing, or on mixers ?
 

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